Discussion: Is the Holy Roman Catholic Church the only true Christian church?

Well, let's look at the FACTS --

The Attorney General in Massachussets has stated publicly that if it wasn't for the statute of limitations that existed at the time Law and his first lieutenants did what they did, all of them would be in the penitentiary for the rest of their lives. It was so bad that the Mass. Legislature changed the statute of limitations because of it.

And, despite all of the evidence showing how Law just sat by while his first lieutenant orchestrated the protection and moving around of all of these pedophile priests so that they could rape MORE AND MORE children, the Vatican would do NOTHING about Cardinal Law. The ONLY thing that did Law in was that the people of Boston revolted against him and he was forced to resign AND LEAVE BOSTON. But, PJPII wouldn't do a DAMN thing.

Actually, he did do something.

Did he ex-communicate this SICKO F*&K that deserves to be rotting in a penitentiary for allowing hundreds (if not thousands) of innocent CHILDREN to be rape and molested?

No. Instead, after he was run out of Boston, PJPII, in his infinite wisdom, brought him to Italy and made him archpriest of Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore. See Cardinal Law's new "job".


And, what made matters worse was what happened to his first lieutenant. Like I said, the Massachussets A.G. said that this SICK FU(K belonged in a penitentiary. He single-handedly orchestrated all of these CHILD RAPIST being protected and just sent to other parishes to rape and molest more children. EVEN ACCORDING TO CARDINAL LAW, it was his top lieutenant who moved these pedophile priest around to RAPE more and more children.


Does PJPII do anything about THIS SICK F*(K??? Does he run him out of the priesthood and make sure that this SICK F*(&K isn't allowed to orchestrate any more children being RAPED and MOLESTED?

Hardly!

He gave this SICK F*(K a F*(KING PROMOTION. He's now Archbishop Alfred Hughes of New Orleans. Here's a sick F*&(K that belongs in Massachussets' version of Angola for single-handedly enabling these sick pedophile to RAPE and MOLEST hundreds (if not THOUSANDS) of innocent children and the Pope's response to his action is to give him a F*(&KING PROMOTION!!!

If that doesn't tell you thet PJPII not only approved what Law and Hughes did in Boston but was probably orchestrating it himself -- NOTHING WILL.

In my mind, he'll always be "Pope John Paul the Pedophile Protector -- the best friend a sick F*&K pedophile priest ever knew".

Given the subsequent events and PJPII's response, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe that Hughes did EXACTLY what he was told to do in Boston BY THE VATICAN. In other words, Hughes did the DIRTY WORK for PJPII. And, for that, he was REWARDED with two promotions.


And, that's not all of PJPII complicity.

The pedophile priest situation got so bad that American Catholics had pretty much had enough. So much so that a committee of lay people and priests had to be formed. What this committee proposed was MUCH, MUCH better than the existing policy (i.e., NO policy), however, most American Catholics didn't believe it went NEARLY far enough. But, most thought that it was at least it was a step in the right direction to rid the Church of pedophile priest, AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, keeping these ba$tards away from children.

And, many thought that was just the beginning.

But, what happens???

Despite the fact that most didn't think it went far enough, PJPII thought it was "too harsh" and basically threw it out. The result -- there still is no policy for dealing with these sick F*(KS. The only "policy" that exists is that the Archbishops "may" punish these pedophile priest if they wish. Talk about putting the foxes in charge of the henhouse!

Now, do you really think PJPII had no idea of the pedophile priest situation?

 

wow...this thread has sorta digressed into accusations of slander and fugitive harboring. very interesting how religion can divide a group of educated people so much.

I think it is untrue to say the Pope did not know what was going on with his priest and the molestation issues. the church has lost a lot of money on civil suits from this issue, not to mention members of its congregation and the huge public black eye.

most of the priest accused were reassigned to different parishes after the accusations arose. some felt confident enough to do these monsterous things again in their new parishes, and these are the ones you hear about in the media. i do not think this is the fault of the pope directly, but instead the bishops who are in charge of the various diocese. the church has for the most part protected these men from their evils. the pope's downfall in this situation is that he could have acted with a stronger resolve to allow these priests to be punished by the law instead of allowing his bishops to hide them thru the immunity of the church.

on a side note, i saw an article today on CNN.com about how a British paper is already causing crap by calling the poep a nazi...of course the German's are up in arms about this. also appears our new pope does not think he will be in power very long, as he chose the name Benedict XVI due in part because the last Benedict had a VERY short term in office......the new pope is 78, suffered a brain hemmorage in 1991, and his own brother felt he was not up to his new duties per the pope's biographer. makes you wonder what the church has planned for the next pope after Benedict XVI (is he a patsy??).

 

i wish more mainstream media types would have the guts to speak as honestly as lsubud, but people rarely do, because they have some sort of silly deference for the pope anbd the media has to worry about offending people.

mostly people bow down to the pope. if i met the pope i would expect he should bow down to me, because i am his superior.

 

And again you beleive all these things without any proof, or for that matter any reason to beleive them other than that you want to.

The policy that John Paul II called too harsh states that any preist accuesed of molestation be immediately defrocked. It is too harsh because if a preist is found innocent and charges proven without merit he is still defrocked.

 

The "proof" is the grand jury TESTIMONY and the FACTS. Not to mention the fact that some of the priests they helped protect and move around were sent to PRISON. And, I saw (WITH MY OWN EYES) the Mass. A.G. get on T.V. and say that Law and his lieutenants belong in the PENITENTIARY.

You just refuse to see the FACTS.

As far as PJPII, did he no give that sick F*((&K Alfred Hughes a F*(&KING PROMOTION? Even Law said that it was Hughes that moved these priest around. And, when the Mass. Legislature CHANGES THE F*&KING LAW because of what these S*(K F*(&KS did, that SHOULD tell you SOMETHING.

Come on, MAN. Don't go through life with blinders on. If you can't see this, it's strictly because you REFUSE to see it.

If I were a U.S. Attorney, I would have brought the entire Catholic Church up on RICO charges. Unfortunately, that's not politically "expediant" so you won't see it. But, they deserve it -- AND, it starts with the Don, i.e., PJPII.

 

When it comes to the Catholic church you can talk to you are BLUE in the face and they will never admit to any wrong doing, by the people they have come to trust their whole life.

I mean people have DIED in the defense of this church, they have tired to wipe out entire cultures all in the name of the Catholic rchurch. And now we have the lost of innocences at the very hands people are suppose to love and trust.

Now before i get flamed and put in the same boat as Martin. I do believe in God and pretty much everything the bible says, I do however believe that the churches ARE WRONG. I believe it was never intended to be a factioning of the religions. I think people are free to believe what they want to believe and I would never try to force someone to see things my way, LIKE some churches do, nor would I ever try to make someone feel bad for believeing in what they believe in again LIKE some churches do.

BUT FACTS are FACTS no matter how deeply you want to deny them. And this is not the FIRST time the Catholic church has lied to cover up the truth to protect themselves before. It has hapenned before in HISTORY and it will happen again someday.

 

Firstly, I will not defend the actions of Law and Hughes. Second there is no connection between the scandal and the Vatican not even the media atempted to make one.

Thirdly lets call a duck a duck. This was not a case of widespread pedophilia in the preisthood. The overwhelming majority of the cases were of preists molesting boys between the ages of 14 to 17. I am not condoning this horriffic act, but it is not pedophilia. It is ephebophilia, a term that refers to sexual attraction to minors who have arrived at puberty (i.e., teenagers). Molestation is wrong is wrong is wrong. Now while there were some instances of pedophilia the majority of these cases were cases of predatory homosexual men engaging in sexual acts with teenage boys.

As the prominant LA radio personality Al Rantel said:
"I do not say this happily . . . because, as you may know, I happen to be gay myself. I'm openly gay here on the radio in Los Angeles and have been for many years.

"But I have to tell you that, you know, even if you are gay, two and two is still four, and there's this proverbial 3,000-pound elephant sitting in the room that no one wants to talk about. This is not a pedophile issue, although the media called it a pedophile issue, because they do not want to insult the gay community. They do not want to be politically incorrect.

"But what you have here are not pedophiles. You have predatory gay men—and there are some of us, believe me. I do not happen to be one of them, but there are some, and we should all admit they're there. And these predatory gay men found their way into the Catholic priesthood in inordinately large numbers—you know, it makes the Boy Scouts look prescient with what they did. And these gay men have gone after young males. And I think it's disgraceful, and I think the media needs to address this. The gay community needs to address this." (For the program transcript, see www.cnn.com/transcripts/0206/14/tl.00.html. )

 

In light of ALL of this -- while he was getting subpoenas to testify before a Grand Jury -- PJPII F*(&KING PROMOTED him!

What more F*(&KING PROOF do you need?

And you still contend there's no "connection"?

 

That is the biggest load of horsecrap I have ever heard. So all these preist are now GAY and that is the reason they chose to act out. Couldnt they just come out of the closet like all the rest of them.

And the fact that the Vatican didnt know is horsecrap too.

If all of a sudden a couple of our Ambassadors to other countries started to feel the need to get their gay side out by getting with native boys do you not think our government and our president would KNOW about it. And if that is the case would you AGREE that the Vatican is the Government of the Catholic church. And if this is so shouldnt the goverment KNOW what is going on with the people it governes.

Its not being said that the Vatican as a cellar full of litle boys just waiting for the picking but to sit there and DENY or Believe that the Vatican and no idea what was going on that is just gulibility (sp).

 

no i dont think you're going to hell because you're catholic. I'm not a member of a fundamentlist Protestant church. and to be sure it's usually most Catholics that display the attitude that you are hell bound if not Catholic.

I have no idea where you are going to end up.
As far as being anti catholic, I'm not but their doctrine is wrong. Just calling a spade a spade. and martin is right the Pope is just another dude. he isn't anymore infallable than Jed or granny. He might be a good holy man and preacher on his way to heaven but he isn't any "holier" than some pentacostal preacher in alabama somewhere.

God is not a respecter of persons

2 Samuel 14:14
14For we must needs die, and are as water spilt on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again; neither doth God respect any person: yet doth he devise means, that his banished be not expelled from him.

As Gimp said the only way is through the blood of Christ, be ye rich, blind, famous, poor, beggar man or theif.

and tigerandrew, you're not a moderator, if you cant handle my points then ignore them. No one has been able to prove them wrong in these threads yet.