I notice that Kerry is now trying to deflect all of this by "demanding" information on Bush's record again. Besides having been there and done that this election. This whole Bush service thing has been brought again and again by Democrats after having also tried to do so in 2000. Is this just another flip-flop on Kerry's part since in 1992 on the Senate floor he defended Clinton about Clinton's actions during Vietnam from an attack from a Vietnam Vet running for President? http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004646
How old are you, Dallas? Under 30, I bet. You've got some things wrong. The Vietnam Veterans Against The War was not a radical group. These veterans served in Vietnam, knew it was a bad war, and exercised their right to protest it. These guys EARNED the right to point out the problems in Vietnam as witnesses. They weren't protesting against their fellow soldiers, amigo, they were protesting against the politicians conduct of the war. And they were right, too. In a few more years, everybody knew it was a stupid war. It wasn't about not supporting the soldiers, it was about getting them home from a war the politicians had already decided they wouldn't win and were only trying to save face. I'll take my chances with a decorated war hero with the courage of his convictions, rather than the short-sighted, imprudent frat boy, George Bush.
OK, Red...you FIND me a decorated war hero with the courage of his convictions in this race, and I'll give him a fair look. Until then, I'll stand by Mr. Bush.
quote by Red I'll take my chances with a decorated war hero with the courage of his convictions, rather than the short-sighted, imprudent frat boy, George Bush. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could you please tell me what convictions you are referring too? Everyone wants to talk about him serving his country. Why has he voted no on everything dealing with National Defense and anything else dealing with the millitary? You would think he's anti-millitary if he would've served. Red, Before you vote for Kerry check out his voting record.
He believed the Vietnam war was a mistake and he did something about it by protesting. This wasn't some Frisco hippie, this was a decorated veteran. A lot of people felt the same way and did nothing. I hate to sound like Dallastigers, but can you offer some evidence that Kerry has voted for against everything dealing with National Defense? Look, Sourdough, I've said it before . . . I'm not a big Kerry Supporter, Wesley Clark was my candidate. Show me a link to his voting record and I'll consider it. I'm not promoting Kerry for president here. I'm defending a war hero who is getting unfairly criticised by politicians who evaded service in Vietnam and just can't stand that the opposing candidate happens to have actually served in a war. What I'm doing is voting against George Bush. He's squandered a fat budget surplus and cut tax income while vastly increasing government spending and getting rashly involved in an expensive foreign war. That is irresponsible management. It will take decades for us to get out of the $$Trillion National Debt he has gotten us into. We can see no end to the unneccessary and unpopular Iraq War. Al Quaida has not been defeated. Many of our allies have been alienated. This guy is a poor president. I'd vote for Swartzenegger if he ran against Bush. I'd vote for the friggin' Easter bunny.
thanks Red for responding, here are some Links.... http://www.arbiteronline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/01/29/4018be61ebdc2 http://archive.aclu.org/vote-guide/Kerry_J.html http://www.foolsblog.com/archives/001883.html http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040301-085725-5267r.htm http://www.balloon-juice.com/archives/003730.html http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/ec/primaries/2369868 He voted no for counter-terrorism under the ACLU link! I don't believe the Vietnam war was a mistake because we were fighting communism. I would say the way we fought it was a mistake and I do think we've all learned that by now. Why should we care if we alienate France, Germany, Russia and UN? I would argue that they alienated us with all the truth now coming out before us.
For one thing......... Vietnam was only a bad war because Lyndon Johnson was too big a pussy wimp to go in their and whip those commie bastards like they needed to be whipped. If we don't elect George Bush none of this football and sports talk means anything because with a Kerry administration we will be run over and too busy having malls blown up to worry about the spring depth chart. Kerry is a weasling, appeaser and anyone who doesn't want a replay of 9/11 on a much larger scale, needs his head examined and his right to vote taken away. Red, go watch the buildings collapse again and smoke some pot you friggin hippie!!!!!
Kerry "served" for 4 months, got a few cuts and bruises, then chose to come home. He could have stayed. He did NOT release ALL of his military or his medical records... he only PROMISED to, then released like 13 of 150 pages. By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | April 23, 2004 WASHINGTON -- Vietnam combat records posted on John F. Kerry's campaign website for the month of January 1969 as evidence of his service aboard swift boat No. 94 describe action that occurred before Kerry was skipper of that craft, according to the officer who said he commanded the boat at the time. On the site, the Massachusetts senator is described as the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 during several actions in late January 1969. However, Edward Peck, who was the skipper of the 94 before Kerry took over, said combat reports posted by the campaign for January 1969 involve action when he was the skipper, not Kerry. Peck, who was seriously wounded in fighting that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, said he believes Kerry campaign aides made a mistake in claiming Kerry as skipper of the 94 at that time. On the Kerry website, the report of the combat on that day on the 94 boat is posted as occurring during Kerry's time as skipper of the boat. Peck said Kerry replaced him after the Jan. 29, 1969, event. "Those are definitely mine," Peck said, referring to the combat reports that the Kerry campaign posted as representing Kerry's action. "There is no doubt about it." A Kerry campaign spokesman, Michael Meehan, said in an e-mail that the campaign had obtained the combat reports for the 94 from the Navy. He did not directly address the question of why the campaign describes Kerry being skipper of the 94 at a time when Peck says he commanded the boat. The reports at issue are in a 20-page batch representing Kerry's combat in January 1969. The reports include references to some dramatic action, including an ambush of Patrol Craft Fast, or PCF, 94. In addition to posting the information online, the campaign sent out an e-mail yesterday afternoon repeating the claim that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 boat throughout January and describing action the campaign said Kerry experienced while commanding the craft. For example, in a summary of action that occurred Jan. 26, 1969, the campaign says Kerry served on boat No. 94 alongside another boat, No. 66. "PCFs 94 and 66 escorted troops up the Ong Doc River early in the morning when they were ambushed by gun and rocket fire from approximately 40 men on both sides of the river," the campaign summary says. "Two B-40 rounds hit close to Kerry's boat, while PCF 66 received 2 B-40 rocket hits. Three men on PCF66 were wounded. A junk containing South Vietnamese troops was also sunk, killing 11 South Vietnamese troops. Intelligence reports after the mission indicated that the Viet Cong troops may have planned the ambush in advance." Peck said he was the skipper of the 94 at this time and that Kerry was not on the craft. While combat reports show several boats traveling with the 94, the campaign website says only that Kerry was the skipper of the 94 and does not try to place him on the other boats. In another report, the campaign summarizes action that took place on Jan. 29, 1969, this way: "While Kerry's boat and another [PCF72] were probing a canal along the river, Kerry's boat came under heavy fire and was hit by a B-40 rocket in the cabin area. One member of Kerry's crew -- Forward Gunner David Alston -- suffered shrapnel wounds in his head. His injuries were not considered serious and he was sent to the 29th Evac Hospital at Binh Thuy." Peck said he was the skipper on this day as well. Peck was also injured in the ambush and was hospitalized. As a result, Kerry then took over the crew, Peck said. The Navy combat report posted by the Kerry campaign states that Peck and Alston were injured in the same event. There is no mention of Kerry in that report. Kerry's commanding officer, George Elliott, said in a telephone interview that he vividly recalls Peck's injury and hospitalization and Kerry's replacement of Peck. "I think somebody made a mistake who doesn't know" the timing of Kerry's service, Elliott said. Kerry was skipper of boat No. 44 in December and January before taking over command of the 94, he said.
You sir, are a moron whose comments are ridiculous and irresponsible. First off, who are you to say who should have their votes taken away? Second, name calling involving "smoke some pot" and "you friggin hippie" are about thirty years past their prime. Third, exactly how would an administration change bring about more terrorist activity? Please explain. What is Bush doing that Kerry won't do to stop terrorists? What would Kerry do that would make terrorists say, "Okay, NOW we can bomb a building?" Didn't terrorists just bomb trains in Madrid? But maybe you've got it all right. Let's just revert to instilling fear into people as political motivation. Let's avoid any real issues and just make people believe that everything will be fine if they vote for Candidate A and they'll die a horrible death if they vote for Candidate B. I'm no big Kerry supporter, but you guys are un-f'ing-believable. Anyone who supports Bush should STFU about anything to do with Kerry's war records. Not only is it bad politics, it's pure stupidity.
Who the HELL are you to downplay someone's service in Vietnam? Yes, Kerry "served" his country in Vietnam. So some campaign aide of Kerry's made a mistake of including all actions of that boat in January 1969 in Kerry's war records when Kerry didn't take over that boat until the 29th of that month. THAT discredits Kerry's war service? 1. Kerry WAS in Vietnam. 2. Kerry's life WAS in danger on multiple occasions. 3. Kerry WAS wounded. 4. Kerry received honors for his service. How does Bush's military record compare to that? Oh yeah, IT DOESN'T. P.S. It's really f'ing disrespectful to put quotation marks around anyone's service in Vietnam.
