Demos to railroad health care bill through Congress

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I never said I was for the bailouts. I benefited from them but I was not philosophically in favor. Was I supposed to resign in protest?
     
  2. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    whatever excuse you want to use, you were for them when it was Paulson.
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I was for keeping my job. If that's all that's got your drawers in a wad, I'd call that pretty weak.
     
  4. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    nope, just shows your excuses, drawers are never in a wad over anything you have to say.
    your excuses are pretty weak. Its bullshyt until it personally affects you, but screw anybody else.
     
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  5. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    I wrote to Mary Landrieu several times but have yet to receive a response.

    I guess she only responds when you offer her money. :nope:
     
  6. PURPLE TIGER

    PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy!

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    Are you done yet? :grin:
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I agree, you see what you want to see. There is no moderate political party, so moderates have to choose between democrats and republicans and tend to go with the candidates that lean to the center.

    You're kidding! Sorry, the republicans lost the moderates during the Bush administration, didn't you hear? Nothing has happened to make us want the GOP back in office. Democrats are simply closer to the middle that the republicans are or even want to be. Blue dog democrats (moderates) have moved the democrats closer to the center on this health bill. Republicans are shrinking as a party as well as they move even further to the right and offer leaders like Sarah Palin and whose prime spokesmen are Limbaugh, Cheney, and Beck--none of whom hold elected office.

    Why? They are no more frustrating that any other congress. There have been no major failures or disasters to compare with the un-won wars, mortgage bubble collapse, and financial industry failures of 8 years of republican control. This president ran on the platform of changing health care and the democratic Congress was elected on his coat tails. They are doing what they promised. The fact that republicans don't like it doesn't make it something that moderates and liberals must be upset about.

    Well, I've said it before. The health bill did not have to be rushed through in the first year of Obama's presidency when we are dealing with two wars and the worst recession since the great depression. He could have taken his time with it.

    Moreover I'd have preferred that he demonstrate that he can cut medicare abuse, waste and fraud without stripping services as the first part of the health plan. It would have raised confidence that we can cut health insurance abuse, waste, and fraud without hurting patient care.

    But the republicans only offer doing nothing. The health care situation is unsustainable with the rise in health insurance costs over the last 10 years. If the status quo is maintained the average American's health bill will exceed his mortgage payments within 10 years. Americans pay far more than other modern countries for health care that is not as good.

    I've asked before . . . what failures do you point to for bashing all that the democrats do. Not your worries, fears, and apprehensions. What failures? I'm quite sure the democrats will fail at something, every administration has its failures, but I'll wait until it actually happens before getting upset.
     
  8. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    OK. I get it. Kinda like you defending Obama no matter what the F he tries to pull off.
     
  9. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    This is just patentedly not true. Three bills, which I know of, and countless proposed amendments to the bills that made it through the House and Senate were introduced by Republicans. The bills did not have majority support, and never stood a chance. None of the major proposals from these bills were incorporated into the Democratic versions. Some of the things Republicans sought, such as tort reform, things that actually effect cost, were put off limits at the very beginning of this process.

    Most Republican amendments were either tabled or shot down on a voice vote. A simple review of the Congressional Register will show this.

    The Democrats are doing the exact same thing the Republicans did for 6 of the last eight years. They are ramming crappy legislation through Congress out of spite, and it is getting rubber stamped by a foolish President. The Republicans are doing the same thing the Democrats did for the last 6 years… whining.

    I don't really know how you can call the Democratic party the more centrist party. I guess someone on the extreme leftwing such as youf has poor perspective.
     
  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    growing the size and scope of government is a massive failure. doing "nothing" is infinitely better.
     

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