Demos to railroad health care bill through Congress

I promise I'm not trying to get involved in this but a graph like this is misleading. When you ask people if they are conservative, moderate or liberal, you are asking them declare themselves part of a group that has a very specific connotation. The republicans have done a masterful job of painting the term liberal has a bad/negative word while the term conservative generally has a positive connotation so there's no question that when asked, less people will call themselves liberal than will call themselves conservative or moderate (both have a relatively positive connotation). Just because you "declare" yourself something that is very subjective doesn't mean you belong in that subjective group. Just thought it was worth noting. I'm out of this now.

 

im shocked that a fiscally conservative, socially liberal person/party hasnt taken the country by storm. i think its a more accurate description of the largest voting bloc. i really thought romney or bloomberg were going to make it in 08. maybe in 12.


i wonder if many here are thinking that the conservative, moderate, liberal means it must apply to each issue? id guess most are moderate because they are conservative on some issues and liberal on others not because they always have some middle of the road view on each issue.

the fact that red argues for the liberal side of several issues doesnt make him a liberal. particularly in the face of a republican majority on TF. there is little point in replying "me too" to conservative views.

 

It is not a straw man it is one of many objections. Nice job of selective quoting and not adressing issues. Typical.

When I said a similar thing about you I was being childish. So are you being childish or are you exempt from the name calling rule?

Noone is forced to join any party. What are you talking about? And the fact that moderates rejected neo-con Republicans does not mean they endorse liberal Democrats.

Yes they are exactly independents. Being an independent means you are registerred with an independent party. If you are not registered with any party you are a non affiliated voter.

Your voter registration card shows one of 4 things. Republican, Democrat, Other, for any independent party, or No Affiliation.

Outside of gun control I have never seen you take a right lined stance on an issue. You lean to the left, and everyone on this board thinks so based exactly on what you say.

You call me a crazy right winger, but SabanFan thinks I'm a bleeding heart liberal. I don't care. Based on the issue you could both be right. I don't know why you have such a hard time embracing your liberal leanings.

 

Since when is it right to shove a crappy bill down the throats of a nation that clearly doesn't want it? It really doesn't matter who did what for the last x number of years. This bill sucks otherwise they would not be trying to do it behind closed doors and contrary to your claim about it being public you are wrong. The bill has not been read by anyone except barrys little gestapo faction that put it all together.

 

i hope so. bloomberg is a stunningly intelligent man and would be the best we could possibly hope for these days. love that guy.

the modern left and right, for the most part, are defined by how much they think problems should be managed by the government or by private folks. and by that standard, red is a left winger, no question. he will happily redefine things until he thinks he is right, but the fact is that you cannot favor a government solution to every perceived problem and not call youself liberal.

 

Actually, I think you are who you are. Your stance is based upon the particular issue being discussed. I, on the other hand, am a card carrying right winger.

Red's abject hatred of Bush has clouded his judgement. He thinks Obama's reckless spending and massive government intrusion into our lives is deserved punishment for the sins of Bush-Cheney.

 

You think you're just playing devil's advocate, and I know it's painful to sit on a forum full of neo-cons and listen to them spout off their FoxNews BS, but to call yourself moderate you probably should not post leftist remarks in every thread.

On a scale of -10 being 100% liberal and +10 being 100% conservative (and of course 0 being completely moderate), you're somewhere around -4 to -6.

 

Yeah. That pesky Constitution really pisses some people off.

 

And specifically your convenient interpretation thereof.

 

It's a simple, easily readable document, not subject to interpretation...Unless you want to get around it.