Democrats Vying for Presidential Nomination

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  1. Perple

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    More like Mrs Douglas on Green Acres.

    "You plant ze little seeds in ze ground and watch zem go shooshting in ze air."

    Bloomberg is right about it being an information economy though. Unskilled and semi skilled jobs are being more and more done by machines instead of people.
    But there is nothing that Bloomberg can do about it except promise to spend trillions of dollars on some dubious plan just like his opponents do for healthcare and education.
     
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    I was starting to suspect that Bloomturd is a dumb ass, now i'm pretty sure. Modern farming uses complex economics, technologically advanced equipment, ...and such a broad knowledge of science...irrigation, fertilizers, pesticides, hybrid varities, soil management, wide variety of sensors (air, soil, livestock biometrics, etc...), etc...
    even arriving technology such as robotic farm swarms, agricultural robots, drones....etc...

    There's not many professions i respect as much as a successful farmer. Typically very wise and astute people.
     
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    In one week he has managed to piss off the blacks, Latinos and now everyone who makes a living off of agriculture..good job...
     
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    Sounds like Mike “is getting it done”
     
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    PJ O’Rourke’s take on the democrat field is spot on.
    Who's the Most Dangerous Democratic Presidential Candidate?
    It's the Winner of the New Hampshire Primary...And That Wasn't Bernie Sanders

    By P.J. O'Rourke

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    Bernie did get the most votes, but it was clear that Democratic voters were looking for someone less flagrantly obnoxious to the general electorate than a "progressive" Democrat.

    The two self-described progressives, Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, got a combined 34.9% of the vote (25.7% for Sanders, 9.2% for Warren). The "moderate" Democrats – Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, and Joe Biden – got a combined 52.6% of the vote (24.4% for Buttigieg, 19.8% for Klobuchar, 8.4% for Biden).

    I've already come up with the yard sign for their campaign against Trump:

    Buttigieg-Klobuchar
    You Can't Stand Him
    You Can't Say Us

    The trouble is that there actually weren't any moderates in the race. Every Democratic candidate who ran is a danger to America.

    And I don't say this out of partisan ill-will. I'm all in favor of Americans having a lively, continuing liberal-conservative debate. What can government do/not do? This argument makes our system work. It's been going on since the American story began with the disagreement between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, who were political bedfellows until they both got up on the wrong side of the bed.

    I had an aunt and uncle like that. During their entire marriage, they only had one fight. It began at the wedding reception and lasted well past their 50th anniversary.

    Both sides have good points to make. (I mean liberals and conservatives, not my aunt and uncle.) Conservatives are right that we don't want the government to be our mother. If the government were our mother, it would take an act of Congress, a cabinet department, and an enormous Washington bureaucracy to change a diaper. And federal "Pampers Police" probably wouldn't notice the smell until the kid was 22.

    On the other hand, to give liberals their due, we don't want to go back to the era before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the era before the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906. In those days, innocent people suffered from gross discrimination. And they were the lucky ones... who survived drinking the poisonous patent medicines and eating the tainted beef.

    But the days of rational argument seem to be over. I spent the last week here in New Hampshire covering the Democratic primary. When it comes to the American story of having a lively, continuing liberal-conservative debate, the Democrats have lost the plot.

    The argument "What can government do/not do?" depends on that little auxiliary verb can, meaning "to know how to, to be able to, to be at all likely to."

    Government does not know how to, is not able to, and hasn't the slightest likelihood of making you faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. But that's what the "progressive" Democratic candidates are promising.

    The "moderate" Democratic candidates are more... moderate. They promise to make you faster than a Little League knuckle ball, more powerful than a Prius, and able to jump up and down with joy if they get elected president.

    Bernie Sanders is the, so to speak, most promising of the candidates. He'll promise you anything. I went to a Bernie rally at Keene State University. It was the most crowded primary event I attended and very enthusiastic... especially by New Hampshire standards where, every four years, we feel like a cheap motel with a bedbug infestation of presidential hopefuls putting the bite on us.

    It was a school, so half of those "Feeling the Bern" were kids at the "easy believey" stage of gullible youth. They applauded loudest for Bernie's promise to make school tuition free. The other half of the Bernie supporters looked like they were still on the outskirts of Max Yasgur's farm, waiting for free admission to Woodstock.

    Bernie began promising and just couldn't quit. (I will not stoop to make a pun on his initials, B.S.)

    He promised a minimum wage of "at least" $15 an hour, equal pay for men and women, a doubling of the number of unionized jobs, higher education for all, and lower education too, with no teacher making less than $50,000 a year, and childcare for children "ages zero to four." (Although I think childcare for age zero will be tricky because at age zero the child isn't there.)

    And Bernie promised "Justice." He had a long list of all the different kinds of it:

    1. Social Justice (I would have been able to get a date in high school.)
    2. Economic Justice (Maybe a maximum wage of $15 an hour. Although those teachers with $50k salaries would have to put in 65-hour workweeks to earn it.)
    3. Racial Justice (As in the 2020 presidential race? I doubt Bernie will be pleased if he gets his just deserts there.)
    4. Environmental Justice (Penguins in the jury box.)
    Then, Bernie seemed to leave the known universe. Getting carried away with his endorsement of the Green New Deal, he voiced a hope that his administration could "reach out to China, Russia, India, Pakistan, the Middle East" and a bunch of other countries that hate our and each other's guts, so that the $1.8 trillion that is spent annually on weapons could be applied to fighting global climate change.

    This gave pause to even Bernie's biggest fans, who looked toward the podium as if to say, "What planet are you from, Senator?"

    Unfortunately, it's the same planet all the other New Hampshire Democratic primary candidates are from, even if they were less obvious about playing the lead character in My Favorite Martian.

    Elizabeth Warren's platform is cobbled together out of the same splintery soapbox of wood and nails-through-the-heart-of-the-American-economy as Bernie's. And she delivered her message in such a scolding tone that Bernie looked cuddly by comparison – like Statler or Waldorf in the Muppets theatre balcony.

    Pete Buttigieg's programs and policies are slightly more modestly scaled than Bernie's and Elizabeth's... but not really different. Pete claims there's a difference – he's figured out how to pay for his programs and policies. (By raising taxes, which, oddly enough, is the same way the other candidates will pay for theirs.)

    Amy Klobuchar is, likewise, offering a sort of "Progressive Portion Control" – everything that the left says it will heap your plate with, but no second helpings.

    Her claim is that she'll be able to accomplish this through bipartisanship, working with the people on the other side of the aisle. Senator Klobuchar's rating numbers from advocacy groups on both sides of that aisle cast some doubt on the matter:

    American Conservative Union – 5%
    Americans for Prosperity – 5%
    Club for Growth – 5%
    Americans for Tax Reform – 0%
    Americans for Democratic Action – 90%
    N.O.W. – 100%
    NARL – 100%
    National Right to Life Committee – 0%
    NRA – "F"

    Joe Biden expressed his moderation at the February 7 Democratic Candidate Debate at St. Anselm College. Joe did so once by blurting out, "How much is it going to cost?!" in response to Bernie's Medicare-for-All.

    Biden spent the rest of the debate (and the rest of his New Hampshire campaign) touting his experience in the as-progressive-as-it-could-get-away-with Obama administration. "I was part of every major initiative," he said, and he kept repeating, "I was there!"

    He was there – carrying Obama's luggage, going to get coffee, hiding Barack's cigarettes from Michelle.

    (Joe's "I was there" message won him 5th place in the New Hampshire primary and quickly turned into "I'm not here" when he made an early exit to South Carolina.)

    Meanwhile, at the debate, George Stephanopoulos asked the candidates, "Is anyone concerned about a Democratic Socialist at the head of the ticket?"

    Seven deer were frozen in the headlights. Finally, Amy Klobuchar raised a tentative hand. Then, in as close to making a joke as the man ever gets, Bernie raised his.

    Andrew Yang said, "Technological progress obliviates the capitalism/socialism dichotomy."

    Elizabeth Warren went off on a tangent about corruption.

    Pete Buttigieg said, "The word 'socialism' has lost its sting. I'm not interested in labels." Then Pete said that all the candidates were there "to galvanize, not polarize."

    And the subject was dropped.

    Although later on in the evening, Tom Steyer (who'd get 3.6% of the vote) praised all the Democratic candidates several times, saying that each was a great improvement on Donald Trump. "Everyone on stage feels the same way," said Tom. And Amy did not protest.

    But let me return to the subject of a lively, continuing liberal-conservative debate. There's no one to debate with in this field of Democrats. They are all so far out in the left field of liberalism that they've leapt the ballpark fence and are on their way to the Politburo for a meeting of the Supreme Soviet.

    Maybe Mike Bloomberg would be the exception. But, with Mike's stop-and-frisk comments coming to light, he's doing a good job of shooting himself in the foot while his foot is in his mouth as far as Democratic primary voters are concerned.

    The winner of the New Hampshire Democratic primary wasn't Bernie Sanders... But the loser was you.
     
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    he means farming in the past, not modern farming. he was talking about farming when it was simpler, when 98% of people were farmers. now 2% are farmers. and those modern farming jobs are much more difficult. he was talking abut most of human history when most people were subsistence farmers, which was pretty simple relative to working in the information economy.
     
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