I have tried for 30 years to gentle convince leftist because I was one in the 70's so I come from a view of left and right, I thankfully firmly chose right. Now a days I will not waste my time convincing. I have tried that and it's a fools choice. My attitude is go learn on your own like I did. No one and I mean no one could convince me in the 70's I was on the wrong side. As far as your ridicule of me it's personal isn't it? There are many here who blast leftist and conservatives alike yet you choose to single me out. You do the same thing on the football side. 3rd party is a joke and you know it's a wasted vote and will most likely get socialist totalitarians elected. 3rd party Ross Perot got us the scurge of crooks Bill and Hillary whom we are still having to deal with. Lastly why do you feel you have rescue others from me? Do you think these guys can't argue and fight on their own? I think most everyone here are stand up guys and will not take any crap from me or others if they disagree including you. You jumped into my post I didn't invite you.