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  1. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    yeah, that's the cool thing about religion.
    we humans get to pick and choose which part of god's word we want to follow.




    hmmm. I may have to do a lil research in this department.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    true enough. although i kinda think it is better for humanity when we base our beliefs on reason instead of whichever myth is convenient. sometimes people choose the wrong myths. better to just stick with rational rules. like for instance we should treat people nice so they will be nice to us, not so magicman will beam us up. things can break down pretty quickly when we start following the rules put forth in the books of myth.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    MY way is the dictionary definition which is widely accepted. I'm not here to argue with dawkins et al. I'm here to argue with you.

    It's ridiculous. Disbelief does not equate with logic.
     
  4. Frogleg

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    Yes, aside from your fantastical 'anything's possible' religious lumping, serious physicist are pondering intelligent design and a supreme being, (mainly because of String Theory's fundamentals) They are not pondering odin, thor, or the flying lasagna monster.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    well then learn my position and argue with it. i even made a thread to explain the way atheism should be properly defined, and you still dont get it. you are speaking to an opinion that nobody has.

    you tend to get caught up when you read the dictionary and box yourself in. you do it alot.

    not talking about "disbelief" in the sense you are. find an atheist that actively disbelieves and speak with them. i have never met one and none of the prominent ones are, but i wish you luck.


    not really. find me a top scientist who believes, and i will show you a person who got his job through political connections.

    virtually no group on earth is more atheist than elite physicists.
     
  6. Frogleg

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    There is no consensus in physics about the supposed entailments of the findings of this discipline for religious belief. While atheistic physicists such as Steven Weinberg and Victor J Stenger have argued that the findings of their discipline point unmistakably to atheism, other equally distinguished physicists such as John D. Barrow, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne, Arthur Peacocke, R.J. Russell, and Ian Barbour have argued that the findings of physics do not point to atheism (and in some respects may even point to theism, or at least offer hints in that direction).
    Physics - Investigating Atheism
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    not sure what your point is. i didnt say every single top physicist is atheist. it really wouldn't be particularly relevant if they were. but for the record, the best scientists are in fact overwhelmingly non-believers, especially relative to the general population. and again, virtually no other group on earth is more atheist.

    at any rate, religion is about faith. if you are trying to point to real-world evidence for religion, you are wasting your time. your best argument is that god requires faith. i cant dispute that, because there is nothing to dispute. just pretend god talked to you, and then the argument is over. thats what most people do. whether they believe that themselves is the interesting question.

    so back to your point about physics demonstrating evidence for a creator. that is nonsense. there is not one tiny shred of evidence.
     
  8. Frogleg

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    how does it feel that God is all around you in extra dimensional space, where you can never comprehend these extra dimensions nor his existence?

    there is a way to sense his presence: seek a quiet place alone (no TV, Radio, sounds of man, etc...) and sit quietly, saying nothing. Allow your mind to quiet, find peace. This may take an hour to achieve. In the beginning it may prove difficult as your mind will be extremely busy, but persist.
    Eventually you will attain true inner peace and become greater connected to the universe, sensing the presence of God. At this point its permissible to ask for favors, such as, health, happiness, money, become a scratch golfer, etc...
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    People are going to disagree with you. Live with it.
     
  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    feels great.

    no one here disagrees. you are simply talking about something different, using the dictionary to pretend i am talking about somethig else. i think everyone here happily concedes that their belief is based on faith, and that faith is based on something other than reason. so faith is something you have or you dont, and this is what separates atheists from believers.

    the point of this thread was to better understand the way the word atheism should be defined, and it seems most folks are able to process that information, except you, who cant seem to focus.
     

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