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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    tell that to the guy who said they were.

    thats great, champ.

    i dont think you follow.


    again, when i ask if you you are atheist, i am not asking "does god exist". i am asking if you believe in him. you have no more knowledge about god than i do, so it is a waste of time to ask you if god exists. i am asking about your mental state, not about god.
     
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    :huh:thought you long ago understood why...


    quite simply, string theory, especially the braneworld versions, leaves the door open for intelligent design and a God. Some of the brightest minds in physics have even broached these subjects, once considered profoundly taboo. This must annoy the crap out of you?
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    literally every theory that ever existed in the history of the universe leaves the door wide open for god. even if the theory is that god doesnt exist and can be proven to not exist, the theory leaves open the possibility that god is so magical that he can logically prove his non-existence while still really existing.

    again, it annoys me in the exact same way that it annoys you that it is possible norse mythology is true. it clearly is possible norse mythology is true. no scientific theory, not even your fancy string theory, can prove he isnt. uncomfortable isnt it, knowing thor might strike you down with his warhammer?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Thats not exactly true. If you ask if one is an atheist and he says "no", it does not mean that he's lunatic crazy, sees flying spaghetti monsters, or that he is mentally unfit in any fashion. It just means he doesn't have a disbelieve in God.

    Atheism is all about disbelief in a deity, it has nothing to do with mental states. Thats just part of your mockery.

    Logic and atheism are not one and the same.
     
  5. martin

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    what you said is true if you ignore what i have explained a thousand times in this thread about the definition of atheism. if you ignore everything i have said, and everything the world's most famous atheists explain.

    if you continue to cling to the idea that atheism means a person is certain that god doesnt exist, a defintion which i never have used, and spoken against almost endlessly, then what you say is true. not sure why you bother mentioning it though, because no one has ever been more clear about anything than i have been about what i mean by the word atheism. this whole thread is devoted to explining to you why your definition is not useful.

    again, if you want to define atheism your way, you should alert richard dawkins and sam harris and christopher hitchens and dan dennett and every other famous atheist that they are not in fact atheist, because you like to narrow your use of terms in order to avoid context and understanding.


    tell someone who thinks they are the same. they are the same like day is the same as night. one leads necessarily to the other.
     
  6. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    ok Martin, I'll play

    do I believe there is a god? yes i do
    would i kill my own child if he asked me to do so? no I would not
     
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  7. martin

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    it wasnt really my game, but thanks for playing. if god asks you to do something, why would you not do it? do you not trust god to know what is best?

    i think you should change your answer to "god would never ask that".

    anyways, the question is kinda boring to me. i prefer to ask people how they can be so sure that muslims dont have it right about suicide bombings. you cant prove that god doesnt want muslims to blow up americans. and if you think god doesnt want that, then how is your refusal to believe in crazed islam any different than my refusal to believe whatever it is you believe?

    what is it that separates modern myths from ancient myths? besides the fact that people still believe the modern ones?
     
  8. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    because he told me: "thou shalt not kill" :hihi:
     
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    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    the ancients had hot chicks in their myths
     
  10. martin

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    sometimes he said that. other times he said that infidels should be stoned. and not the good kind of stoned. the old testament is full of examples of god being perfectly ok with killing and having people kill each other.

    dude. ever heard of eve? she was a stunner. mary magdalene? a seductress. the virgin mary? too hot like a sexy innocent librarian. the modern myths are stacked with hot chicks.

    sodom was so packed with steaming hot chicks that god had to destroy the whole place, because the chicks there were giving up door number 2.
     

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