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  1. Well, then its a bs graph. The drafter of the policy is meaningless once a new man takes over. Obama, who promised us "Hope and Change" could have chosen to CHANGE by reversing the tax cuts. The reasons he didn't do it don't get him off the hook if the bottom line is that he wanted to do it but didn't.

    Suppose I steal a car, and bring you along for the ride. The whole time I'm making my getaway, you are berating me for stealing the car, urging me to return it. Then I get tired and crawl in the back for a nap. You now have the chance to return the car and make everything right. If you continue on the getaway path, then you have participated in stealing the car, and will get the same justice coming to me.
  2. Did you think health care cost nothing before the Affordable Health Care Law? :lol: Most of the costs of it were going to insurance companies anyway and the AHC law does the same thing. The extra $152 billion pays for the extra benefits, like not dropping coverage and no denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions. Things people wanted and elected Obama to enact.

    Think about it. :insane: Anyway Iraq is almost closed down and the pullout from Afghanistan has already begun.

    It's from the Washington Post. Challenge the numbers if you can. You have an agenda too, you know. We all do.
  3. Explain.
  4. I did. Did you stop reading after the first sentence?
  5. You are a typical condescending liberal who thinks conservatives are ignorant rednecks with Limbaugh bumper stickers. As we say in Breaux Bridge: "Phuck You, Azzhole".

  6. I guess you don't take making a slight policy interpretation error very well.

    Oh well. Still smilin'.

    AND....

    I do not think conservatives are ignorant rednecks with Limbaugh bumper stickers.
  7. Troop levels abroad have already been reduced. S. Korea only has about 1/3 of what it used to have just a few years ago; Europe only about 1/3, as well. Defense is going to be cut regardless.

    The reason we have a presence abroad is we are the only ones that can (for now, anyway). Europe has a notoriously bad reputation for not taking care of its own backyard. There's not sufficient numbers in Europe or S. Korea to mount a full-scale, force-on-force defense. But those forces can act as a deterrent. Maintaining those military installations allows the US to have a foothold in case large-scale deployments are needed, however likely or unlikely that may be.

    I don't like the idea of the US having to play world police; I hate it just as much as I hate counterinsurgency. But that's the price we pay for being the world's lone superpower. It's part of what makes the US exceptional - we are the only nation who can project its national power globally. The US has not been involved militarily worldwide in more instances than it has.

    As much as I wish the US could retire from the police business, the reality is if the US doesn't do it, who will? Economies and communications are global now. And the US must promote and protect its national interests through power projection. Just because we may not want to be involved in global conflicts doesn't mean we won't be.

    (This probably belongs in another thread, so I won't comment anymore on this one)
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  8. What about the 2 Trillion Deal being made?

    Obama has already increase the deficit by 3+ trillion since in office....

    Where is that in this graph?
  9. AND I love the Bush tax cuts blaming. As if the people keeping the 1.8 Trill is the issue.....

    Though, I guess the new name is the Obama Tax cuts since he didnt change CHIT while in control of everything...


    Cry it up Libs....

    Face it, they all act the same...
  10. Good post. And I do accept the CBO projections, and I do listen to a variety of opinions . . .

    BUT MOSTLY I learn from experience. And my experience tells me that a program this big and this intrusive 'managed' by political appointees will grow fast and without control. If you're smart enough to put together the information above you have to know this is true.
    The people that whored this bill into law see this bill as an oasis in the desert they have trudged through for decades. They intend to drink long and deep. Again my experience gives me no evidence that they care a whit about budgets, deficits, and debt. We needed health care reform, but the goal for most of the prime movers of this legislation was never reform, it was takeover.

    The CBO only scores what they've been given; they are not allowed to score what surely will become reality. And the reality will be much more than we can see now. BUT, I could be wrong. From your experience can you provide the name of a comparable Federal program that hasn't become one of the 500 lb gorilla's in the room?
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