Debt Ceiling Deadline - August 2nd

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  1. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    Speaking of how democrats misuse power, here is an example. The congress said no to cap and trade style co2 controls. Obama went around congress and is using the EPA to cripple traditional industries such as coal, petrochemicals and power plants. Who has the most to gain from the administration's use of the EPA as a political weapon? G. E. is the answer. G. E. is getting tons of subsidies and riding the democratic wave of green energy. G. E. pays little in taxes and pays a lot to democratic reelection funds. Obama is using the EPA as a political tool. That's chicago politics that was mentioned a post or two ago. That's what has to go. The government is trying to kill industries to help their friends and the taxpayers are paying for it. You can't say that Obama doesn't want to kill traditional fossil fuel producers, especially coal.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The people elected them, did you forget that? Nothing was shoved down your throat, you were represented by a minority party. Welcome to democracy.

    :huh: If you voted then you are represented. if you didn't vote, STFU.

    Ignorance and disdain of science is another thing making the GOP the party of yesterday.

    Give me one example of this bullchit notion. :lol:

    That's fine. I ask for the things expected of a Superpower and the worlds great democracy. It's a bit more than basic.

    It was published. Can you read?

    They learned it from 6 years of Karl Rove politics. That was the guide book of the last republican administration. I know you want to forget the last republican administration, but the voters have not. It was a snowballing disaster that nobody wants to do over.

    What Obama policy have the Republicans said yes to? Which one? None.

    I don't belong to a party. I vote for whoever I please. Democrats and republicans alike.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, I'm not a democrat and if you imagine that I don't have a clue, you would be making a mistake.

    They never lost those, but they are alienating the rest of the independents, centrists who disapprove of no-compromise politics.

    You are making a fool of yourself now. Do you actually imagine that in the six years of al-Republican control, that Congress didn't pass laws? :lol: Do you want a list of them? It's long.

    It keeps right-wing fascists like yourself from doing the same thing. What is your point?

    Are you making up history now? The GOP won half of Congress. It lost the other half and doesn't have the Presidency. They are still a minority party and marginalizing themselves further. The Tea Party cost three republican senate seats, did you forget that? How many will they lose next election?

    Watch and learn, Hoss. Minority parties are the only ones who ever invoke the term "silent majority".
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Name me an EPA-crippled plant. How are they being crippled? Be specific.

    It pays even more to the GOP reelection campaigns.

    And Bush didn't? !!! The Bush administration forced the EPA to ignore its own scientists and do what was politically expedient. The Obama administration lets the EPA do what the science requires.

    GAO Report Confirms That Politics, Not Science, Drove Bush EPA Decision Not To Regulate Rocket Fuel in Drinking Water

    Obama does not want to kill the coal industry, just make it cleaner. Why do you favor pollution of our air and water? What evidence do you offer to suggest that Obama is trying to kill US industry? It's a scare story. Typical radio disk jockey hysteria.

    What industry has been killed by Obama? Coal is not being threatened by the development of wind and solar power. It isn't even being threatened by cap and trade.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I didn't hear you complaining when the Dems controlled both houses and they shoved Obamacare up our asses. Where was the compromise then? Obama getting what he wants does not define compromise. Obama insists on tax increases and won't budge off of that stance. GOP wants cuts in spending and will agree to increase revenue through tax code revisions and loophole abolishment. Exactly who is the obstructionist here?
     
  6. joker

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    Good god Red. You can't possibly say that with a straight face.

    It's not your Liberalism, it's this farce that you claim you are a moderate or in the middle.

    Obama is a liar and uses slight of tongue to say one thing and do another. Cap and trade would kill coal. Google is your friend.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Crybaby. It was voted on by your elected representatives. Obama ran on a health care plan platform and won. He did what he was elected to do. You seem to forget that most of us voted for the democrats.

    When you have a full majority, you need not compromise . . . but Obama did anyway. Single payer went out, private insurers went in, many concession were made and it did not gain Obama a single Republican vote. Now everyone realizes that the Party of No is just that.

    Th Republicans getting only what they want does not either. What is your point? :huh:

    The GOP refuses to even consider reapplying the old tax rates from the prosperous 90's. They have gotten huge concessions in the debt ceilng talks twice and walked away from both. They can't take yes for an answer! It's obvious to a caveman who is the obstructionist party here. Not even close.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    All insulting rhetoric and no substance, as usual. You couldn't argue cap and trade to save your life. You can't back up a single claim.
     
  9. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    That is a total misrepresentation of the "talks". Obama has put forth NO plan. Neither of us know what's going on behind the closed doors but it's clear that Obama's strategy is to make the Dems come out ahead politically regardless of the consequences to the country.
     
  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    this is really a historically heroic stand by the republicans. again, compromise is for pussies. stand strong against taxes. if you ****ing hate debt, then reduce spending. if you think you need to reduce spending by some amount, then raise taxes by some amount, instead just double or triple the reduction in spending.
     

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