David Vitter Apolgizes For Serious Sin

I don't see how Polygamy doesn't fall under religious protection laws in the first place, but if it was legalized I would have no problem giving them marital rights, as long as issues of custody, inheritance, etc, are worked out amongst all of the involved parties.

As far as my "precious equal rights", no activity should be illegal or forbidden as long as:
a. all parties are consenting adults
b. of sound mind
c. not hurting anyone except themselves.


That's why my "precious rights" would not cover activities like pedophilia or abuse to animals, etc etc, because they don't fit those criteria.

 

why are you not as vocal about the illegality of polygamy as you are about the marriage rights of gays? seems like polygamists are really getting the worst of it as far as discrimination goes.

have tou reserved your moral outrage for politically correct causes only?

 

Polygamy is a voluntary practice, gayness is something people usually have no choice in determining.

I'd resort to ad hominem as well if my point (civil union is the exact same as marriage) was blown out of the water like yours was.

 

why would that matter? don't people deserve equal rights for whatever makes them happy? regardless of why it makes them happy?

learn to to read, i never said that, i asked if it was.

if it isnt, it should be.

also, many of the "rights" you listed were private matters anyways, not to be trifled with by the government. family leave, private health insurance, that sort of thing.

 

like always, i agree entirely with red. it is largely about a word, and who gets to apply the word. both sides seem to be overly concerned about who gets to use the word.

this whole issue is an excuse for people to wave their flag of what they stand for, for everyone to see. the pro-gay people try to sneak a little moral outrage in to show how forward-thinkin they are, and the religious try and make their religious rituals overlap with laws.

 

Talking about hypocrisy, Louisiana Democratic Party to start a petition for Vitter's resignation. I must have missed that petition they started to remove Jefferson.

 

Oh really?

Agreed. That's been my whole point this entire time.

Again, agreed. But the reality is that these things are trifled with by the government whether we like it or not, so might as well make it fair.

 

You stay cynical there, Martin. Nailed it right on the head. If only I could be the smartest guy in the room too, then I could stand for something out of principle and not just the desire to get attention over the internet. Ah well.

Hey look everyone, I support gay rights! Look at meeeeeee!!!

 

why not just stop lobbying for people to be managed by the government instead of trying to make sure everyone is managed?

well, to be fair, a big factor in many people being vocal about gay rights is not to display it to everyone, but to feel good about themselves.

in practical terms, this gay marriage business doesnt really affect anyone except people who care about symbolism over substance.

i lived with a girlfriend for years, without the certificates from the government. i didnt hurt me. and it won't hurt gays either. just like your gay friends, they do whatever they please, and it matters none. so they might not get the tax advantages married people get, or whatever vitally important rights they need. they should oppose tax advantages for the married instead of trying to get their own.

and they can just claim they are married if they want, if it feels like it deepens their commitment or some other BS. what is the difference?

if you do not get married, you might want to write some contracts or give each other power of attorney or whatever it is you want that the government hasnt given you.

again, this is basically a non-issue of zero significance. it is just a way for people to line up on the righteous side of things.

read the context, i was asking you to look specifically at this politician to see if he favored civil unions with the same rights, he just liked to save the word "marriage" for straights. like rudy giuliani. i believe even george bush is fine with civil unions that grant marriage-like rights.

marriage is like baptism, you should never be lobbying the government to manage it.

i will, i cant help it if i am inside everyone's head.

 

I'll care about this when Al Gore tells me to, thank you very much.