Contraception....

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Tiger in NC, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. CaseyLSU

    CaseyLSU Founding Member

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    Baaaah, I was going to try not to jump into the fray, but here I am anyway.

    The Church sees sex only as a necessity to populate the Earth with more of the faith. Not as a recreational activity. This is why they believe that contraceptives are not necessary. Because in the Church's perfect world, everyone would abstain until marriage so there would be no need for protection from STDs and whatever else.

    We do not live in the Church's perfect world, and I say that as a Catholic.

    However, to those who say they are not free to work where they please, that is correct to a point. But you do have the choice to opt out of your employer's insurance plan and either get coverage through a spouse or independent coverage. I know that is not always economically feasible. But it is a choice that you can make. Sometimes an independent plan is actually less expensive.

    Where birth control pills are a medical necessity, they should be treated like any other medication under an insurance plan, IMO. Where they are prescribed only in an effort to avoid pregnancy, then the full cost of the burden should be on the woman as it is elective and not necessary. I feel the same way about Viagra, even though I haven't heard of a medical "need" for it. Abstinence, while unpopular, is free.

    That said, I find it funny that a lot "women's rights" advocates want the government to stay out of their uteri unless it's about an issue that makes life more convenient for them.
     
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  2. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    Yep, its like having your cake and eating it too. I am hearing "we have a right to choose....and the emp / insurance / govt has an obligation to pay."
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Cuts both ways. Some want freedom to practice their own religious beliefs. Others want freedom not to have another's religion beliefs imposed upon them.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Explain to me how contraception is "evil".
     
  5. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    You really should read the First Amendment because you have been throwing the Freedom of Religion thing around pretty loosely. The First Amendment grants everyone the freedom to worship as they see fit and promises that the government will never form a religion of it's own. These are both individual liberties, not protection for the Church as an organization.

    This applies to the current issue like this: insurance companies are going to offer insurance coverage that covers ALL medical procedures that are deemed medically necessary. Everyone has the individual right to refuse certain treatments based upon their individual faith. If birth control is not medically necessary (as prescribed by a doctor) then the insurance company should not have to cover it. This also applies to Viagra, nose jobs, boob jobs, botox, etc.
     
  6. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    so you are saying that the pill can be both good and/or evil?
     
  7. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    surgery is a temporary fix. endometriosis must be controlled. often, contraceptives are the best treatment. i want my treatment to be what is medically best, not governed by someone else's religious views. i want my doctor to determine what is the best course of treatment based on medical concerns.

    thow in ovarian cysts, and they are that much better as the medical treatment.

    and if we are talking cost, etc, the anesthesiologists fees alone would probably cover 4-5 years of birth control. so on top of surgery being short term, the cost effectiveness versus control of the disease is not economically sound for the insurance company.

    as far as other hormone therapies, that is easy to say, "oh, just do those". when they dont control as well, then the downside of the pain, more likelihood of expensive (and invasive) surgery, and the long term effects to fertility, make it that birth control pills are the better medical option.
     
  8. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    Here's some great teachings by the Church fathers with absolutely no basis in Scripture and the basis for the Church theology of today.

     
  9. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    The dude that came to the conclusions above has poor reading comprehension skills. None of that is in anyway representative of any actual theology.
     
  10. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    NO.

    You have the freedom of choice. The cost of such choices is another story and just because you cannot afford something does it mean it should be given....


    My parents have loads of money but gave me none. They didnt pay for my college, didn't buy me cars, and didn't support me after I decided to drop out of college.

    I figured out life for myself and am a much better man for it.


    My generation expects hand outs... Plain and simple.



    I do agree however, medicine in general is WAY to expensive, but what this nut job is trying to do to a religious organization is foul. She new what she signed up for...
     

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