I listed four articles that cited their sources for the numbers I used. Not my problem if you can't read. You are just being argumentative. I have not seen you cite one damn thing that contradicts it.
Maybe you should re-read them. They dont prove anything. I dont know what to tell you. This is the same shit you like to pull all the time. The articles you linked are basically worthless to your claim.
Those studies dont specifically study the two points you listed. Very simple actually. I mean, you haven't even defined what "preventing" a crime is. Just the fact that a guy might have a gun in Texas could prevent some crime. How is that measured? Surely some criminals think twice before committing some crimes in certain states.
You can debate whether you agree with a source, but I listed evidence that supported what I said. Still waiting for yours.
No... You didn't. You statement specifically mentioned : "I say they are involved in more crimes than they prevent"
Look, you are just being argumentative. 579 is greater than 285. Duuuuh! Come back when you have anything to offer except lame rhetoric.
Your numbers are for murders...... Like, you are being really stupid right now...... You have NOT indicated AT all how crime "prevention" is measured. Neither do any of your LINKS.. Go back to sleep old man.