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Further Proof that Concealed Carry Permit Holders Rarely Commit Crimes
11/19/12| by S.H. Blannelberry
In the ongoing debate over concealed carry one point that’s not often explicitly discussed is to the extent which the gun community is law-abiding.

That is to say, when compared to the general population do concealed carry permit holders commit more crimes? To put it another way, are gun owners really all that law-abiding?

According to a story published in The Wichita Eagle that studied crimes committedby those with CCWs licenses in Kansas, the answer to this question is rather evident:

Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.

That works out to one charge for every 1,161 permit holders, or 0.09 percent.

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http://www.guns.com/2012/11/19/proof-concealed-carry-permit-holders-rarely-commit-crimes/

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Florida Update: Concealed Carry Permits Up, Violent Crime Down

The recent report from ABC News that in Florida, where there are more concealed weapons permits than anywhere else in the country, violent crime has dropped to the lowest point in history, delighted Sean Caranna, executive director of Florida Carry, Inc. “We’re happy to have facts and statistics put into these debates, because every time they do, we win,” he said.

Firearm-related violent crimes in Florida have dropped by one-third in just four years, 2007 to 2011, while concealed carry permits jumped by 90 percent in that period. Further, violent crime of any kind dropped almost as much, 26 percent.
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...concealed-carry-permits-up-violent-crime-down

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lsutiga said: ↑

That is misleading. I've already addressed, and shot down, your attempt in derailing this thread cause your ass hurts from being the one unnamed in my opening post of this thread.
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More faggot talk, what is with you Canadian-Americans? Are you Ammosexuals now?

Look, like everything else, carry permits are all about the tradeoffs and finding a proper balance point. There are both virtues and faults to be considered. Nothing misleading about that.

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The flip side is that concealed carry permit holders commit gun crimes more often than people realize. Since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed by someone with a concealed carry permit. Those deaths are the result of 579 separate shootings, all initiated by someone who was given the legal right to carry a concealed weapon in public.

Mass Shootings Committed By Concealed Carry Killers

Killers With Concealed Handguns: George Zimmerman Isn't the Only One

People with concealed carry permits have committed at least 29 mass shootings since 2007
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The second article starts before George Zimmerman was acquitted of a crime. The author admittedly interpolates an awful lot in support of his book. You would normally discount that kind of "evidence".

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red55 said: ↑

More faggot talk, what is with you Canadian-Americans? Are you Ammosexuals now?

Look, like everything else, carry permits are all about the tradeoffs and finding a proper balance point. There are both virtues and faults to be considered. Nothing misleading about that.
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Well we're in agreement on that point.

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Tiger Exile said: ↑

The second article starts before George Zimmerman was acquitted of a crime. The author admittedly interpolates an awful lot in support of his book. You would normally discount that kind of "evidence".
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Yeah I found that funny, an article trying to sell that point with a justified CCP shoot in the title.

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red55 said: ↑

I'll talk about whatever I want to. You say carry permits prevent crimes. I say they are involved in more crimes than they prevent. I'm not against carry permits at all, I have one. But what you suggest is misleading and there is a lot more to the story.
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Prove it.

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LSUpride123 said: ↑

Prove it.
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Already done. Read the links I cited in Post 2.

19 mass killing perpetrated by permit holders versus the one mass killing prevented by a permit holder cited by tiga. There could be more and you are free to introduce more evidence. There were 763 people killed by permit holders in 579 separate incidents.

This article which tries to make a case for concealed carry preventing crime. There have been 285 reported incidents of concealed carry permits being used for personal defense.

http://marquettewire.org/3806651/tr...events-more-crime-than-it-creates-study-says/

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red55 said: ↑

19 mass killing perpetrated by permit holders versus the one mass killing prevented by a permit holder cited by tiga. There could be more and you are free to introduce more evidence. There were 763 people killed by permit holders in 579 separate incidents.
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You made the claim. Not me.

Sooo. Prove it.

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LSUpride123 said: ↑

You made the claim. Not me.

Sooo. Prove it.
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I have done so twice. There is nothing I can do to make you comprehend it any better.

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