CollegeFootballNews.com analyzes JaMarcus

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  1. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    I don't see this at all.....the appearance of former LSU QBs under Jimbo's tutelage in the NFL is extremely negligible....nearly absent actually

    As good as Booty could have been, as talented as Davey and JR obviously are, LSU's passing game could have been better. The only QB I think we achieved adequate results with is Matt Mauck during the Jimbo era.

    I think what's worse than the inadequacy of our QB coach is our receiver's coach.

    We could have potentially had a dominant system in place much like USC has had we had the right OC/QB/WR coaches in place.
     
  2. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Here's the deal.

    In the last drive of that game, you saw the 2 diametrically opposing sides of JR, exposing the intrinsic makeup of our QB. On one hand, we're backed up at our 20 yard with only a minute plus change and no timeouts, needing a touchdown. Not many QBs in the country have the talent and arm strength to go 80 yards under those conditions. JR is one of those QBs. He throws 3 passes, 20 yards in length each (roughly), and all of a sudden we're down to the 19 yard line of Auburn. That's the extreme upside you get with JR. Now lets examine the instincts and smarts side of the ball. He gets tackled in play trying to scramble out of the pocket. He neither had the "instinct" to know someone was right on his heels nor the "smarts" to throw the ball away. He gets tackled and we lose nearly 25 precious seconds on the clock. This was obviously the backbreaker of the drive. I still contend had he thrown the ball away LSU would have won the game 10-7. From the 24, he feels the heat in the pocket and again, instead of throwing the ball away, he completes a pass over the middle of the field, less than first down yardage. Only a penalty saves us from stupidly running out the clock. Then of course the famous pass short of the goal line with a defender right in the face of our receiver. I still blame Jimbo, ultimately, for not calling for a fade in the corner of the endzone to Bowe on the very first play from the 19. LSU should have easily had 3 pass plays into the endzone at that point. But that's another sad story altogether.
     
  3. CParso

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    JaMarcus isn't perfect. He's made dumb decisions, but you can break down ANY QB in the college game right now, and they all make stupid decisions. Brady Quinn, who would've been last year's 1st QB taken into the NFL, has made quite a few mistakes this year. And that is under the almighty Weiss, whom I assume you think is an offensive mastermind.
     
  4. DownOnTheBayou

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    Agreed. But even on that last play to Davis, if JR would have put some mustard on that throw or lead the receiver properly, it's a TD. And I think JR gets his smarts, or lack there of, from the coaches. Right before the Doucet call then non-call, Miles calls a TO leaving us with 2 instead of 3 in case we don't make it and give the ball back to AU. When we did get the ball back, we only had a minute left instead of a little over two. And if the coaches have no clue, then you can't expect JR to have one either. Therefore, I agree with the fact that JR hasn't progressed in 3 yrs, but I blame that on coaching.
     
  5. pharpe

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    That's the problem with statistics. People say that statistics don't lie but they can be made to support almost any side of an argument if you just pull out the ones that support your argument. Statistically, Hal Hunter has the best winning percentage in LSU history. Does that make him the best coach of all time?
     
  6. TigerSnarl

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    So you think that the coaching staff hasn't told JR to lead the receivers? I find that really hard to believe. But that seems like something you would teach a sixth grade quarterback anyway. Shouldn't JR understand this basic concept by now?

    It is just like the mistakes that islstl does a great job of describing. There are just some simple football principles that JR seems to forget in the middle of the game. You can't convince me that coaches haven't told him that the worst thing you can do in a two minute drill is to take a sack. I bet JR knows this concept like almost anyone who casually watches football on TV. Yet he still takes them when he has a chance to throw the ball away.

    I am not down on JR. He has great athletic ability. I just can't pin his lack of football IQ on his coaches.
     
  7. LSUsupaFan

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    So do you like any of our players or coahces? Are any of them smart enough or talented enough?
     
  8. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Bo Pellini is a near defensive genius. LaRon Landry is the best safety in the nation, bar none. And one of the top 10 smartest players in the nation. He has been really well coached also. We also have the best D-line.

    So yeah.

    Satisfied?

    Bottom line, you can't have it both ways. You can't say we have the most talented offensive players in the land, which many posters on here readily attest to. And then come back and say the coaching isn't the problem. I am in the camp that LSU does indeed sport a core group of talented players on the offensive side of the ball that can compare to anyone else in the country, but unfortunately fail miserably in critical game situations due to being poorly coached. I really don't understand why that is such a tough concept and realization to grasp.

    I don't think there is a single poster on here who thinks Jimbo Fisher is a great offensive coordinator. And yet, we settle for less. Les Miles not replacing Jimbo Fisher as offensive coordinator was simply a horrible mistake on his part. And being such an offensive minded coach, it surprises me still that he kept him on.
     
  9. CParso

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    Jimbo is a very good OC. He's consistently ranked in the top 5 of all offensive coordinators in the country. I think some of you have misconceptions about what other teams have compared to us. Our talent isn't much, if any, better than Auburn, Georgia or Florida. And overall, the coaching levels are about equal at all these places & LSU as well.
     
  10. LSUsupaFan

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    Just checking. You have been so extremely negative it has been sickening. I nearly lost all respect for you when you said Alley Broussard and Justin Vincint didn't deserve to be Tigers.
     

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