CNN's Sanjay Gupta approached for Surgeon General

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  1. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    I happen to know for a fact that several recent publicized incidents between hospitals and payors in this state are due to hospitals demanding reimbursement increases from payors to cover their indigent healthcare costs. :nope:

    You are going to have to cite this. Besides, even if that's the case, I still argue increased governmental regulatory costs and prohibitive malpractice insurance are the reason why specialty care costs so much money.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So? Do you imagine that invalidates my statement?

    Medical Bills Main Culprit In Bankruptcies Americans are 'one illness away' from financial collapse

    Three-quarters of the medically bankrupt have health insurance.

    Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds

    Then make your case. I maintain those are but two of many reasons why US health care costs too much.
     
  3. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    This is my point. He has been there working on it for 28 years and he along with the rest of the Government have done nothing except pump money into medicare/medicaid. I really think that it time for something completely new on this issue. Do I have the answer? No. But the past 28 years show that TD

    Why throw the political belief dig in there? Nothing i said attacked his political "side." Hell if the problem was fixed, he could be from the Anarchist party for all i care.

    I am also not really sure that the man to lead the fight for a new, improved healthcare system is the man who is the main lobbyist for Healthsouth.

    Daschle was Senate Minority Leader for almost all of the Clinton Administration, yet he was not a key or contributing member of Hillary Clinton's push for medical reforms. No major medical reforms can out at any point during these years. Scanning through the Senate votes and records I can not find any bills authored by TD where he is advocating changes to the healthcare system.

    I agree with him on several of of his bullet points that you have quoted. Why didn't he push for them/author a bill when he was in congress?

    Alot of people have the same ideas on fixing the Health Care system. Why is it that the man nominated is a healthcare lobbyist and a political backer of Obama? Why not the head of the AMA or NIH?
     
  4. LSUDeek

    LSUDeek All That She Wants...

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    This was an article published in the Canadian Post
    (what a shocker) , and those folks didn't have health insurance because they were jobless.

    From the above link:


    According to the United States Government, 35% of the healthcare dollar comes from private insurance. Also according to the United States Government, only 14% of that 35% goes to administrative costs (INCLUDING MEDICAID AND MEDICARE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS RELATED TO PRIVATE ADMINISTRATION OF MEDICARE AND MEDICAID PLANS).... which as far as I can tell is 5% of the healthcare dollar.


    He's a hack and a liar.


    We might spend the most in the world as a percentage of GDP on health care, but our government also spends the most as a percentage of its budget on health care.

    http://www.bcbsla.com/web/reddotcm/files/2008_Medical_Cost_Reference_Guide.pdf

    Here's a nice link which debunks all claims of single-payer systems being superior and shows the rate at which private payers reimburse hospitals and clinics vs the government.
     
  5. TheDude

    TheDude I'm calmer than you.

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  6. DRC

    DRC TigerNator

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    Deek and Krypto are spot on but I would even go as far as saying Daschle stole these ideas from other people because none of them are new.

    - An oversight board has been endorsed by independent groups for years. The AMA's Ethical Force program has recruited a vast network of industry advocates and attempted to self police their actions.

    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/3592.html

    - Investments in information technology: Wow, how original. The government already has an entire branch of Health and Human Service devoted to that goal.

    http://www.hhs.gov/healthit/

    - Pooling: Another ground breaker for Daschle. HMO's and traditional health insurance companies have been doing this for years. Its called GROUP INSURANCE! Many states also have Pool Insurance in place and have for years.

    http://www.healthinsurance.org/risk_pools/

    - Drug Pricing: Come on, Clinton started this charade in 1992.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9E0CE2DA1E3BF936A25751C1A964958260

    - Prevention: Lip service from Daschle. Do I need to post links to the millions of prevention programs and media campaigns that have been ongoing for eons?

    - Comparative Effectiveness: Stolen directly from private industry. There are companies that provide this service already and make a tidy profit doint so. Is this industry one of the groups Daschles firm lobby's for?

    http://www.eclinicalworks.com/index.php

    - Transparency: Another stolen idea but this time from Scholors.

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=361215

    - Medical Malpractice: WHat a unique idea. Already been debated and discussed ad nauseum.

    http://www.ncsl.org/standcomm/sclaw/medmaloverview.htm

    - Patient-provider interactions: See comparative effectiveness. This is part of the suite of programs being sold by private industry to medical practicioners.

    - Universal Coverage: LOL...Didnt Hillary try to get this approved during Clintons first term? I recall it being a monumental failure.


    All these are ideas are great but lets not pass them off as Daschles when most of them have been around for years.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, first you say that he worked on health for 28 years and is responsible for what we now have but then you say that he was not a contributor at all Well, which is it? And you seem to have forgotten the Medicare Presecription Drug bill, certainly a major health reform, which Daschle was a key player in 2003. LINK

    Plus you missed the "The Patients’ Bill of Rights" (S. 6, H.R. 358) Introduced by Senator Thomas Daschle (D-SD) and Rep. John Dingle (D-MI):
    In fact Daschle is not a registered lobbyist. He has been (for a few years) a policy advisor to a law firm that has a lobying arm. You keep ignoring the fact that he has 28 years of other perfectly qualifying experience. He was once leader of the House Democrats, are you really surprised that he's an Obama supporter?

    But he did! He was a critic of Clinton's Heath plan and has ever since advocated a better way.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Prove it.

    Completely out of control, I can accept. All a result of government regulation, now that is BS.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That's the point, amigo.

    Who cares where they come from? Most good, workable plans come from research and synthesis of the ideas of others. Daschle has done his homework and is proposing to implement them. What the hell is wrong with that?
     
  10. CajunlostinCali

    CajunlostinCali Booger Eatin Moron

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    I thought Obama was pressing a rule about baring lobbyist from the top positions. He has gone against that, twice already, no? :huh: Am I missing something?
     

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