Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Clinton get credit for a lot of the growth of the internet by devoting a bunch of money towards its development/advancement? Seems like I remember hearing that somewhere, and that that was where the whole Al Gore 'I invented the internet' thing stemmed from.
the internet didnt need government help, it needed to be left alone. the amount of private investment that fueled the growth of the internet was enormous. any money that was taken from americans from the government to be developing/advancing the internet would have been better used by the people who it was taken from.
i really do not care what congressional republicans wanted. republicans can eat my ass. but seriously though, when you start something you finish it. or don't start it. we never should have gone to somalia in the first place. i am racist, i dont give a damn how many darkies kill each other. i call that natural selection. today mogadishu is still a lawless cluster-f ruled by warlords. we accomplished nothing there. bush 41 had a goal of liberating kuwait, not taking iraq. taking iraq qould only become necessary when saddam didnt hold true to the terms of the cease fire. clinton withdrew in response to public pressure over losing people and choppers in mogadishu, effectively teaching idiots worldwide that increasing the killing will make american weenies cower and withdraw. and the same thing is happening now, they are killing americans in iraq, hoping that bush is a coward like clinton and he will withdraw, if only they can kill enough americans. they should be taught that killing americans only means we put on foot on their throats even tighter. killing americans should always result in the crushing massacre of anyone even slightly involved, never withdrawal.
Agreed! Bush 41 sent troops to Somalia and let Clinton inherit the situation. Iraq is exactly the same situation and Bush will let some other president deal with it. Agreed, but it doesn't have to be an overt miltary invasion and occupation in each instance. US gunships shot the crap out of Adid's militia after Mogadishu. In Somalia, most of the warlords were just thieves and did not take on the US. Mohammed Adid was the leader responsible for the Mogadishu battle and he died in a "mysterious" plane crash a year or so later. Sometimes covert action is more effective and more cost-effective. We went there to help starving Somalis and they crapped all over us. Since they had nothing we need, fugg 'em and we leave with all of our aid, too. If we had kept the military there, killing random somalis and trying to to install a government, we would still be there, spending billions to feed the ungrateful ragheads, while taking casualties from guerrillas among them who are trying to kill us. Just like Iraq only cheaper. No, the answer was to let them boil in their own stew. When the US military withdraws, so does the foreign money and the aid workers. A little covert action and the guy responsible for the Mogadishu attack is history. Somalia was the kind of place where there was nothing worth winning, no tangible enemy to fight, no real way to "win", and full of people who weren't worthy of our help.
You forgot Ruby Ridge then WACO. It seems to me that Mr. Clinton was tougher on Waco than Al Quada which reminds me that the Democrats didn't mind the torture techniques used against the Branch Dividians but disapprove of it now days being used against our enemies. How many Democrats voted against this interrigation bill today? Please keep talking Nancy Pelosi but where was your golden rule during the Waco fiasco? These things make Dems look soft on terror unless its against our own citizens No way these folks will get elected or take back Congress unless its strickly a protest vote.
What torture? Got evidence? You are making this up. Sourdough, you sound like just like Timothy McVie who blew up a government building to commemorate Waco. Are you actually defending the anti-goverment militia kooks of Ruby Ridge and the anti-government religious kooks of Waco? What would Bush have done with these anarchist wackos? Give them government jobs? Or bomb them into the stone age?
I don't sound at all like Timothy McVie, that wasn't the right thing to do. I felt badly for those people just as much as Waco and Ruby Ridge.:dis: Are you saying that you didn't leave them off your list?:lol: Making stuff up? I don't have to, you do the research. The ATF under the Clinton Administration shot Randy Weaver's wife in the head while she was holding a baby. I believe his son was killed, that was so long ago I don't remember this incident very well. Waco was a different story. Are you saying that the ATF under the Clinton Administration didn't have military hardware on private property? That they didn't Play loud music and bright lights on that compound day and night? That they didn't ram military tanks into the compound damaging the structure? According to todays standards of torture playing this type of music loudly is torture. Keeping those people up day and night to where they couldn't think clearly or sleep was also torture. My main problem with this is all the innocent children that were killed. Do I have to defend the Anti-goverment crowd to point this stuff out? I just thought I would point out that Democrats are against the very thing that was done at Waco to Americans but we can't do that to enemies. Because people are branded as kooks by the newsmedia does that make everyone kooks? I think this is enteresting because so many people in the newsmedia brand people and then later on have to retract it such as Richard Jewell. Dick Durbin and Ted Kennedy say Bush is Hitler, does that make it so? Let me say right now that even though I am a right winger that I have great respect for life no matter who it is with just a few exception, logic in play here. I feel badly for everyone in these matters and I would never condone violence. If everyone were kooks at Waco it was then ok to do what the government did to lead up to the death of so many children? America changed in my eyes on that day just like 9/11. The only trial some of these people received was death, we don't even treat our enemies this badly when it comes to some terrorists responsible for :911:
It was the FBI. An FBI sniper screwing up is terrible, but it does not constitute torture. He was trying to hit Harris, an armed accomplice of Weaver, who was outside the house. The shot wounded Harris but also entered an open door and killed Weaver's wife inside. Weaver's son was also armed and outside the house, shooting at federal marshalls when he was killed. Again, it was federal officers serving a legal warrant to an indicted person who resisted arrest for 10 days and fired on federal marshalls. Why do you make heroes out of the criminals instead of the law enforcement officers who were doing their jobs?
I don't, plain and simple. I have great respect for most law enforcement officers. As I stated that it was along time ago and I didn't remember the Weaver situation. I didn't say anything about the FBI torturing the Weavers, I said that the Branch Dividians were tortured according to todays standard of which some Democrats are against using these methods on terrorists. I just wanted to give Bill Clinton credit because he was tough on these American terrorists. People call these people kooks so I guess you could make them terrorists since the government was so threatened that they went to the extremes that they did to capture or result in their deaths. Religious kooks are terrorists? So an FBI screwing up terrible is ok? It was just a mistake just like the whole Waco fiasco. Clinton was tougher on Waco than he ever was against OBL. I wonder which one of these was the bigger threat?
Bill Clinton, a man who's presidency was defined by a stain on a blue dress. Now his little "stand by her man" woman wants to lead the greatest country in the world. She couldn't even keep her husband in line, how in the hell is she qualified to keep our country in order. I can see it now, Vladimir Putin backing down from a steely eyed Hillary, yeah whatever. Clinton and Reno should be brought up charges for the Waco atrocity. I backing Christopher Walken in '08. He's our best and maybe last hope. Everyone else is a bought off status quo cronie. http://www.walken2008.com/ I don't need to know his platform, I know the man. Seriously, if someone else has a better candidate, I'm listening. Our country and legal system is in serious trouble, from pp pumping judges to the socialist entitlement state, i.e. Katrina aftermath. If a dem gets elected we'll all have to go hide our guns in the woods again. If a repub gets elected it will probably be nuke-o-rama. For once let's try someone new, it really couldn't be any worse than what we have now.
