Cindy Sheehan quits Anti-War movement

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You underestimate me, once again. :yelwink2: You know I can prove it.

    Scott Ritter, the chief US WMD inspector stated in 2002, a year before the invasion:

    What in the world are you talking about?

    I know of no instance of that happening after the war. Even if it were true, then we bomb his facilities and tell him to stop that chit! Shock and Awe works to influence countries to behave--ask Yugoslavia. It was utterly foolish to invade and occupy Iraq. They have nothing we need and it has exposed a superpower weakness to our enemies. This perceived weakness has now emboldened Russia into trying to revive The Cold War. Condi Rice says Russia should drop Cold War mentality

    Everyones intelligence did NOT say the same thing, Sourdough. Where do you get these ideas?

    Have you read the Senate Report on Pre-War Intelligence on Iraq?

    Their first conclusion points to widespread flaws in the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, and attributes those flaws to failure by analysts in the intelligence community:

    Most of the major key judgments in the Intelligence Community’s October 2002 NIE, Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction, either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting. A series of failures, particularly in analytic trade craft, led to the mischaracterization of the intelligence.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You are likely the last person on earth who believes this.

    The Iraqis are using everything they have to kill Americans. Why hasn't one single American been killed by poison gas? Because there is no WMD threat in Iraq. UNSCOM oveersaw the destruction or incapacitation of more than 88,000 filled or unfilled chemical munitions, over 600 tons of weaponized or bulk chemical agents, some 4,000 tons of precursor chemicals, some 980 pieces of key production equipment, and some 300 pieces of analytical equipment.

    A few stray rusty and non-operational chemical artillery shells have been turned up that escaped UNSCOM demolition, but even Pentagon spokemen have stated "These are not the WMD's that we went to war over".
     
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  3. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Red, I've already answered your questions in my previous post to HouTiger.
    Just because a committee of politicians say so don't make it so whether its
    Iraq, WMD or global warming or any topic.

    Should I go back and repost my last 3 responses so your questions will be
    answered?
    Why do you always believe one person and it makes it so when there are various sources that say something completely different?
    Do you have a better source other than Wikipedia?
    I've heard and seen some horrible things from that source.
    Almost anybody can make up stuff and put it there!

    Heres some to consider

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...CFGGAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2002/09/09/writ09.xml
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...04.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/05/04/ixnewstop.html

    "Mr Ritter resigned his post four years ago and has become a vocal critic of American policy on Iraq, saying the inspectors were used for espionage"

    Amazing that you always grab one controversial individual to make your point
    but then again he was against the war just like you!:grin:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040321-101405-2593r.htm
    Shaker Al-Khaffaji who put up $400,000 for Ritter's movie was a beneficiary
    for the oil for food program!:lol:

    Cmon Red you have to have a different source this Ritter character has real
    issues here!
     
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    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    You said there were no WMD's in Iraq that is quite different from your statement here now either there were no WMD's or there was?:confused:
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Often I do, but Wikipedia is usually succinct and well-written for these types of discusssions. Nobody wants to pore through lengthy documents online.

    But it must pass editorial review to remain there. Also since anybody can offer properly cited comments, it allows for both sides of an issue to be represented.

    I grab him less that you go to Sandy Berger! The fact is, he is the acknowledged expert and our official man on the spot and he was ignored and put down asa traitor by people like you, even though he was completely correct, as you must now admit.

    I can give you more evidence if you really want it.
     
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    This is a response to my assertion that Blair was fired.

    This is how the British govt. system works:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_United_Kingdom

    It does not work like the American system where elections are held on a schedule, it is based on "support" and if a majority in Parliament think you are doing a bad job, you're outa there, right now. Bush would be outa there right now if we were under this system. There are 3 main parties in England and a few smaller ones, so there is some wiggle in their system. Coalitions can change within a session.

    http://politics.guardian.co.uk/labourleadership/story/0,,2076434,00.html

    He was fired by Parliament. MPs are Members of Parliament. Resignation is the polite word for it. I don't remember one resigning for personal reasons in my lifetime, they are all hogs in the trough until they are fired by loss of a supporting coalition.

    Blair had a great run, and if he had not made the wrong decisions on Iraq, he'd still be Prime Minister, IMO.
     
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    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/l...ort/isg-final-report_vol3_cw_key-findings.htm

    This is from the final Iraq Survey Group findings on Iraqi WMD, started by David Kay and finished by Charles Duelfer in Sept. 2004. These were men picked by Bush to perform the task, so if they'd have found anything, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. They spent a year and a half in Iraq, and they ARE THE DEFINITIVE SOURCE.

    There is no evidence that Saddam even knew he had to old shells around. And that is not why Bush told us we were going to war, it was because Saddam had 30,000 chemical shells, was producing chemical weapons, and he was working on nuclear weapons, which all turned out to be false.
     
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  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    bush gave plenty of reasons for war that had nothing to do with wmd. those are forgotten by everyone who wants to be a critic.
     
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    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    List them and indicate if they were proved to be valid.
     
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