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CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'

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tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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LSUMASTERMIND said: ↑

Post a link to that interview.
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has your tv, radio and internet been down for a week? clearly, the truth hasnt set you free.

tirk, May 15, 2009

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LSUMASTERMIND said: ↑

how is she lying when another congressman said the samething. Also a republican on the committie said that the CIA was 100% forthcoming and more memos needed to be released. Do some research before spitting partisan rhetoric.
Im not a big fan of hers, but sheez try to be objective and not a hack all the time.
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first she said she wasn't briefed. then she said she was briefed just misled. then an aide confirmed that she was told specifically about waterboarding and that it did happen

TigerKid05, May 15, 2009

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tirk said: ↑

has your tv, radio and internet been down for a week? clearly, the truth hasnt set you free.
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No I just honestly didnt see the interview. Doesnt mean she could have stopped it. Its still a lie, nonetheless.

This is what I found.

This appears to contradict Pelosi's account that she was never told waterboarding actually happened, only that the administration was considering using it.

Sheehy attended a briefing in which waterboarding was discussed in February 2003, with Rep. Jane Harman, D-California, who took over Pelosi's spot as the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

This source says Pelosi didn't object when she learned that waterboarding was being used because she had not been personally briefed about it -- only her aide had been told.

The source said Pelosi supported a letter that Harman sent to the administration at the time raising concerns. The source asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of matters discussed in classified intelligence briefings.

Pelosi admits attending one briefing in September 2002, but at a news conference last month, she was adamant that she did not know waterboarding was used.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/12/pelosi.waterboarding/index.html

Inconclusive at best.

LSUMASTERMIND, May 15, 2009

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Who really gives a rat's ass what a representative from California knew? It was the Bush administration that ordered, orchestrated, and carried out the torture orders. Talk about trying to shift the blame . . .

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Lets see if conservatives will even believe this one.

Powell aide says torture helped build Iraq war case - CNN.com

Finding a "smoking gun" linking Iraq and al Qaeda became the main purpose of the abusive interrogation program the Bush administration authorized in 2002, a former State Department official told CNN on Thursday.

The allegation was included in an online broadside aimed at former Vice President Dick Cheney by Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff for then-Secretary of State Colin Powell. In it, Wilkerson wrote that the interrogation program began in April and May of 2002, and then-Vice President Cheney's office kept close tabs on the questioning.

"Its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at preempting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al Qaeda," Wilkerson wrote in The Washington Note, an online political journal.

Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel, said his accusation is based on information from current and former officials. He said he has been "relentlessly digging" since 2004, when Powell asked him to look into the scandal surrounding the treatment of prisoners at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

"I couldn't walk into a courtroom and prove this to anybody, but I'm pretty sure it's fairly accurate," he told CNN.

Most of Wilkerson's online essay criticizes Cheney's recent defense of the "alternative" interrogation techniques the Bush administration authorized for use against suspected terrorists. Cheney has argued the interrogation program was legal and effective in preventing further attacks on Americans.

Critics say the tactics amounted to the illegal torture of prisoners in U.S. custody and have called for investigations of those who authorized them.

Representatives of the former vice president declined comment on Wilkerson's allegations. But Wilkerson told CNN that by early 2002, U.S. officials had decided that "we had al Qaeda pretty much on the run."

"The priority had turned to other purposes, and one of those purposes was to find substantial contacts between al Qaeda and Baghdad," he said.

The argument that Iraq could have provided weapons of mass destruction to terrorists such as al Qaeda was a key element of the Bush administration's case for the March 2003 invasion. But after the invasion, Iraq was found to have dismantled its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs, and the independent commission that investigated the 2001 attacks found no evidence of a collaborative relationship between the two entities.

Wilkerson wrote that in one case, the CIA told Cheney's office that a prisoner under its interrogation program was now "compliant," meaning agents recommended the use of "alternative" techniques should stop.

At that point, "The VP's office ordered them to continue the enhanced methods," Wilkerson wrote.

"The detainee had not revealed any al Qaeda-Baghdad contacts yet. This ceased only after Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, under waterboarding in Egypt, 'revealed' such contacts."

Al-Libi's claim that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's government had trained al Qaeda operatives in producing chemical and biological weapons appeared in the October 2002 speech then-President Bush gave when pushing Congress to authorize military action against Iraq. It also was part of Powell's February 2003 presentation to the United Nations on the case for war, a speech Powell has called a "blot" on his record.

Al-Libi later recanted the claim, saying it was made under torture by Egyptian intelligence agents, a claim Egypt denies. He died last week in a Libyan prison, reportedly a suicide, Human Rights Watch reported.

Stacy Sullivan, a counterterrorism adviser for the U.S.-based group, called al-Libi's allegation "pivotal" to the Bush administration's case for war, as it connected Baghdad to the terrorist organization behind the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

And an Army psychiatrist assigned to support questioning of suspected terrorists at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp in Cuba told the service's inspector-general that interrogators there were trying to connect al Qaeda and Iraq.
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read the rest.

LSUMASTERMIND, May 15, 2009

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red55 said: ↑

Who really gives a rat's ass what a representative from California knew? It was the Bush administration that ordered, orchestrated, and carried out the torture orders. Talk about trying to shift the blame . . .
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So do you agree with what the bush administration did or not? Seems like earlier you said torture was fine so long as it was covert.

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red55 said: ↑

Who really gives a rat's ass what a representative from California knew? It was the Bush administration that ordered, orchestrated, and carried out the torture orders. Talk about trying to shift the blame . . .
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Has nothing to do with shifting the blame Red. I believe they should just behead them all, but waterboard them some more first. It has everything to do with Pelosi lying and making a big stink saying she knew nothing about what the Bush administration was doing. We now know that she knew exactly what was taking place, did nothing about it and then lied about it later. Whether you believe waterboarding should or shouldn't happen does nothing to justify her lies. Was the Bush administration arrogant and did they believe they were above the law....YES. Obviously Pelosi feels the same and is no better than them. Just another lying politician playing political games for her own gain.

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LSUMASTERMIND said: ↑

Lets see if conservatives will even believe this one.

Powell aide says torture helped build Iraq war case - CNN.com

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I think you posted this in the wrong thread by mistake. This thread is about Pelosi lying to the American people not whether you believe that "enhanced interrogation" techniques are lawful or not.

TwistedTiger, May 15, 2009

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TwistedTiger said: ↑

I think you posted this in the wrong thread by mistake. This thread is about Pelosi lying to the American people not whether you believe that "enhanced interrogation" techniques are lawful or not.
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Threads veer off course all the time. I just helping the cause here.:hihi:

LSUMASTERMIND, May 15, 2009

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mobius481 said: ↑

So do you agree with what the bush administration did or not? Seems like earlier you said torture was fine so long as it was covert.
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I said IF torture was necessary it should have been done covertly, like it always has been done. The Bush administration's folly was to attempt to make it openly legal, which flew in the face of our justice system. We are signatories of international treaties forbidding torture and the constitution says that such treaties are supreme law.

Article VI of the US Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;"

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