Chuck's Take

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  1. chuck

    chuck Founding Member

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    tt - I would still be okay with tubby as long as he was required by the powers that be to go and replace our entire offensive staff (minus Eddie Gran, the RB coach). It is pretty common knowledge in th eAuburn world that CTT is a CEO style coach. While a CEO is responsible for the actions of the folks that work for him - he is also limited by their abilities.

    I think CTT made a hiring mistake when it came to replacing our OC, and I think that is the problem. Our defense is playing extremely well - as are our special teams, it has been the offensive play that has been our problems.

    the fact remains that since he arrived, CTT has improved recruiting 300%, redeveloped HS relationships that bowden all but destroyed, and recruiting quailty kids (minus Rowell) in his 5 recruiting classes.

    Saban Fan: "All I know is that if LSU were were 1 and 2 having lost to ULM and 'Zona, I would not be on a rival board talking up my team."

    I don't know what to say to that. I guess you are sayign that if LSU stinks it up to start the season you would go into hiding? Sorry, not my style. While I may not always think my team will win (I thought we may lose to Vandy) I will always support them, and defend them within the facts of the matter. .but we didn't lose to ULM and Zona, we lost to the #3 team in the nation and Georgia Tech.
     
  2. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Chuck, every head coach at a big time college football program is the CEO. A good CEO dosen't just hire people and then expect them to get the job done while the CEO assumes everyting is OK because he is such a great evaluator of coaching talent that anybody he hires will do the job with no supervision from the CEO. Look what happened when DiNardo made bad personel decisions. Nick Saban has a high turnover among his assistants every year but obviously he is constantly aware of whether or not his assistants are doing their jobs The Nick Saban Way and if they're not its "My way or the highway". Tubby needs to take the same approach if he expects to still be the head coach at Auburn in 2005 or 06. I don't follow Auburn close enough to know whether one or more of his coordinators is the same kind of cancer to the program that Lou Tepper was at LSU but you'll know sooner or later.
     
  3. Perple

    Perple Founding Member

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    Saban & Tubby Comparison: (Starting 2000)

    Saban
    Bowl Games: 2-1
    SEC Conference Championships: 1 - 2001
    Total SEC Wins: 17-9
    Total Wins: 30-9


    Tubby

    Bowl Games: 1-2
    SEC Conference Championships- 0
    Total SEC Wins: 17-10
    Total Wins: 26-15


    Saban has played Vandy - 0 Times
    Tubby has played Vandy - 4 Times


    While Aubies talk up how "Dangerous" Vandy is, here is a look at Vandy's Record from 2000 - To Date: 8 Wins 30 Losses - (1 SEC Win over Kentucky back in 2000). Tubby's SEC Record is Padded with 4 Gimme wins.
     
  4. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I wouldn't go into hiding. I just wouldn't be defending my team on a RIVAL'S board. I used ULM and Arizona because that's the 2 teams we played. You lost to "#3" SoCal but Auburn was #1 in some polls at the time. Ga. Tech/Arizona? Potato/Potahto.
    You are prematurely praising Tub's recruits. From what I've seen so far this year, they are not that great.
     
  5. TitanTiger (AU)

    TitanTiger (AU) Founding Member

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    Two can play this game. You shouldn't pick and choose the info you want to highlight:


    Tuberville's record against Saban: 2-1
    Average Score: AU 29-14
    One of those wins was our 1999 team that finished 5-6. They beat Saban 41-7 at Baton Rouge. It took your best team in well over a decade just to crack the win column against us in the last 4 years.

    Saban has played Kentucky 4 times
    Tuberville has played UK 0 times

    You can down Vandy all you want, but Kentucky and Vandy may as well be roommates. UK's record from 2000 - to date: 13 wins 25 losses. Their SEC record is a lowly 4 wins 21 losses. One of those losses was to Vandy (as you mentioned) and 2 of their wins were over Vandy. Saban's record is padded with 4 gimme wins, one of which took an absolute miracle to get.
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Let's play this game:

    Saban/LSU: 4-0, ranked #7
    Tubby/Aub: 1-2, unranked

    Nothing else is relevent.
     
  7. geauxscott

    geauxscott Founding Member

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    I'm not going to get into the "My coach is better than yours" but....First of all that 1999 team went (3-8), so that nothing to brag about And second, sorry buddy that was Dinardo not Saban!!!
     
  8. TitanTiger (AU)

    TitanTiger (AU) Founding Member

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    Says you. I think the way we got going against Vandy does say something good about our team. If you can't see that the offense getting untracked and posting 45 points is better than struggling and maybe winning by 10, then nothing this side of medication is going to help you.

    You cannot seriously be saying that if LSU had struggled to get by Arizona instead of pounding them 59-13, or limped by ULM instead of smacking them 42-7 that you wouldn't feel differently about your team's prospects for the rest of the season.

    Now, is that to say that just because you rip someone you ought to rip that you're going to go out and beat the likes of UT or UGA? No. But it was improvement. And it was handling a team like Vandy the way you ought to...just like your games against AZ and ULM.

    But go ahead and believe whatever you want. Just be sure to relay that same flippant disregard to your team for me. I relish the thought that you guys essentially think you've got that Oct. 25th game in the bag.
     
  9. TitanTiger (AU)

    TitanTiger (AU) Founding Member

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    Hey, your guy started the "whose coach is better" pissing contest. I just opened up the curtains to show the full view.

    And just for giggles, which part of this is relevant? I just want to know if it's the better record or the better ranking. I need to know just in case both of us win all our games leading up to Oct. 25th, and then we win. That would make you guys 7-1 and us 6-2 and you'd probably still be ranked higher after the game. Is it the record, or the ranking that's most relevant...or does neither really matter right now unless you can get bragging rights back later this year?
     
  10. TitanTiger (AU)

    TitanTiger (AU) Founding Member

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    My bad, you're right. Saban's losses were 34-17 and 31-7.
     

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