China OK's force to stop Taiwan's independence

CParso · Mar 15, 2005

I am being serious, that's why I asked. I never pay attention to that stuff.

red55 · Mar 15, 2005

CParso said:

I am being serious, that's why I asked. I never pay attention to that stuff.
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Well, this document won't let me copy any text from it or I would quote it extensively. But at least read the summary on page two.

Chinese Trade With The United States and The World

Our trade with China goes far beyond trinkets. They are taking large amounts of advanced-technology work that was once exclusively ours. Very bright Chinese graduate students are all over US campuses including LSU working on advanced research. Chinese scientists have green cards and work in US industry and higher education. I have a Chinese faculty member in my unit.

Our computers and flat panel monitors are made in China. Our ipods are made in china. Our clothing is made in China. Our communication equipment, etc. In fact a look at Made in China may be an eye-opening experience for you.

CParso · Mar 15, 2005

Jeeezus...

It makes you wonder what exactly the US does.

I'm impressed Red - good, extensive information. I appreciate that.

I'm sure we could find cheap labor in other places, in fact almost any country compared to America, but a trade embargo with China would be very devastating in the short run. American consumers would raise all hell. Would the President be willing to do this?

CParso · Mar 15, 2005

Also, according to the document you linked, it says that China is a chief exporter in many goods, even purposely selling their products below market price. They don't import a whole lot. This means good news for the businesses, bad news for China's domestic consumers and suplimenting these businesses has to be hell on the Chinese government.

It doesn't seem that they can keep this up for ever. Wouldn't allowing them to stay on this path of self-destruction work?

NoLimitMD · Mar 15, 2005

CParso said:

Jeeezus...

It makes you wonder what exactly the US does.

I'm impressed Red - good, extensive information. I appreciate that.

I'm sure we could find cheap labor in other places, in fact almost any country compared to America, but a trade embargo with China would be very devastating in the short run. American consumers would raise all hell. Would the President be willing to do this?
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We can and we do (pick a SE Asian nation), but those little guys in China are awfully industrious. And CHEAP! Their marginal rates and quality are simply unrivaled for many industries. That won't last forever as their industrial might grows (and the working class with it...to some extent.)

Jean Lafitte · Mar 15, 2005

John Kerry should immediately go to Taiwan, call a press conference, and yell into the microphone . .

BRING IT ON! BRING IT ON! BRING IT ON!

TigerEducated · Mar 15, 2005

red55 said:

China is becoming a Great Power but it is still a long way from a Superpower. Militarily, China has a huge army and air force, but a pitifully ineffective navy. Clearly the US is not going to try and fight a land war in Asia with China. What we are going to do is blockade them with our unmatched naval forces.

China's entire rise from Third World squalor to superpower aspirations is based on foriegn money resulting from overseas trade in the last 25 years. But, we can take away their income and they cannot retaliate in kind. A naval blockade would cripple China economically in under a year. Furthermore, if they could not get products out via rail through Russia, they would be economically devastated. This why it is vital for us to keep the Russians on our side. They will be tempted because they are poor and there could be big money made.

China has gone so far, so fast that they imagine themselves an economic superpower already. They are going to be very surprised in a war with the US. It took us three decades to beat the Soviet Union by bankrupting them. China won't take that long. If Wal-Mart alone stopped doing business with China, it would severly impact the Chinese economy.

The flip side of such a war is that the loss of China as a source of cheap goods will cause an economic crisis in the United States, as well. Things will get very expensive compared to what we have gotten used to, and inflation will go through the roof. Still, our more diversfied, free-market economy will survive the loss of Chinese goods out better than China will survive the loss of US dollars. In the long term we will find new Asian, African, and South American sources for cheap labor. China will find no substitute for the loss of the American market. Especially if we can prevent them from doing business with most of the rest of the world, too.

On a planet that is mostly ocean, the only real Superpower is the country that militarily dominates the seas. We also happen to dominate the bulk of the atmosphere and all of orbital space. It is never in our best interests to get involved in a land war in Asia. One-sided airpower and naval conflicts are the American way of war in the 21st century
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Man, this was an amazingly good post...Great read...Red55, here here! Rep points for you....

Thanks for the contribution...

TigerEducated · Mar 15, 2005

I read a great article recently...Can't remember if it's a NYT online or just a mywaynews source...

Said that the South China Seas is a completely American controlled area, and that will probably be more a powderkeg than Taiwan or North Korea...Seems that piracy in this area-controlled completely by the US Navy-has become a nearly 8 billion dollar business each year, and growing.

The area is rife with modern day-and I'm not making this up-pirates. Stealing of everything from Nike Shox to Nike Driver's to Compaq's and other electronic equipment...

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