Cheney caught in another lie

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  1. MFn G I M P

    MFn G I M P Founding Member

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    If enough people start voting for a third party candidate, it wouldn't be throwing your vote away.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It would happen if a 3rd party rose in the political middle, where there is a giant vacuum. But most third parties rise up to the right of the Republicans (Perot, Wallace) or to the left of the Democrats (Anderson, Nader).
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    No because like everything you post it is without merit and assonine. My sentence structure was a little vague so I can see why you were confused. Of the two stories circulating about Jefferson's trip home one says the national guard would not let him go to his home without an escort of armed Gaurdsmen. Ther other says he requested to be accompanied by armed guardsmen.

    Also what could senators are representatives do to aide in this situation. They have no emergecy powers. They can't call out the guard. All they can do is draft legislation. And Louisiana's congressional delegation has been fighting for the moneis to improve the levees to prepare SE Louisiana for a storm like this for 40 years , but jerks from the landlocked states shoot us down at every turn. Sourdough you dont know anything about the situation in Louisiana. You have no idea how much planning went on. The contra flow plan in itself saved 100,000 lives. The state and local government did the best job possible with limited resources. You just want to sit back and point fingers at Democrats. Give it a rest. Shut your trap, back away from your keyboard, and head to a shelter and volunteer if you care so much. When I think about this situation I see 1.3 million people from my home state in desperate need of help. All you see is politics. You have messed up priorities. It is almost as laughable as it is sad.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Your first paragraph,
    Does it matter which story is correct?
    Whats the point?
    He should've never went home if he was going to take up valuable resources
    that could be used to saving people.

    The point is that it doesn't matter which way was correct, he shouldn't
    used up resources for his own personnel reasons.
    I hope you defend him when he goes to court, you do realize he's under
    investigation?

    I don't know whats going on?
    Let's talk about the Louisiana delegation, do they know that some of the
    money that went to maintain the levee was used for other purposes other
    than flood prevention?

    The state and local governments did all they could with limited resources?
    Another awful statement, explain to me why the school buses were flooded
    then.
    Explain to me why a 17 year old kid was smart enough to take a bus with
    no bus license and save 80 lives or so and take them to safety.

    About your home state, I didn't realize the name was changed to LSU Supafan's state.

    Its too bad we can't have an intelligent conversation without you throwing
    insults at me so I will consider the source from anything you write on.

    You sir, should get your butt off of tigerforums since you seem more concerned than I, Off your computer and run to the nearest shelter.
    No more computer for you. :wink:
    Sorry dude, you've lost it! :cry: :dis:
     
  5. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Let me make my point absolutely clear.
    I've never said that the feds aren't responsible as well as local and state governments.
    Most of the people that oppose me here only blame the feds.

    I've always said in numerous posts on this here forum that everyone is at fault for this
    for 40 years, republican and democrat.
    Having said that the state of Louisiana and some or all of their representatives aren't
    exactly innocent individuals over the past 40 years.

    It cracks me up that some of you won't admit or think the state or locals did anything wrong, I flat feel sorry for you if thats the case!

    Everyone in the state of Louisiana is perfect and no one is corrupt?
    Some of you have selective post memory or something, you read only what you want!

    I also love it how some people accuse me of nothing but politics.
    They must be wizards who can cast spells and read minds, never ceases
    to amaze me.

    Have you accused anyone else here of playing politics?
    I doubt it!
    I'm not the one putting people's resumes and biographies and commenting.
     
  6. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    You can't enforce a madatory evacuation of a city of 1.5 million people in 48 hours. It isn't possible. Under any circumstances The man power to go door to door in a 600 sq mile area to get everyone out is more than the state had to commit. You can't have buses ready to roll people out when the storm is over becasue you dont know what parts of the city are going to be flooded. You don't know if any roads will be passable. You don't know how many people remained behind.

    Think of the logistics here. There were not enough busses in the city to get the 200,000 people who stayed out before the storm. It took some 40,000 bus loads to get everyone out. The time frame for a full evacuation of the city and low lying areas of Plaqumine and St. Bernard was planned for 72 hours. And thats with all roads outbound. The storm gave us a little over 40. Look how bad the roads were with just cars. Could you imagine throwing about 40,000 buses into that mess. Thats considering you can get all those people in one centralized place from which to move them out. Then where would these busses have taken people? Texas and other areas hadn't set up shelters yet.

    Too many poeple are pointing fingers and laying blame, but have never considered the logistics of this situation. This was a nightmare plain and simple. This was not a problem that any degree of planning would have fixed. There were too many unknowns.

    On the other hand, the Feds should have been air dropping MREs and water the minute the rain stopped. We had supplies on the ground in Sri Lanka and other Tsunami affected areas within 16 hours, but it took 72 to truck supplies into New Orleans. Something doesn't add up.

    So yeah a whole lot of people messed a whole lot up. I personally hold te Feds more responsible because they should be better prepared to handel events like this. Florida got hit four times last year. New Orleans had a first run with this type of thing here. The Feds have dealt with this before.

    I learned one lesson, and its this: Horse judges don't make good heads of FEMA.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I think the geography of New Orleans was not properly considered. A coastal city like Biloxi not only has high ground within a mile or two of the coast, but there are numerous county, state, US and Interstate highways leading into the interior. Evacuations can work on many parallel routes, most of which are on high ground and do not flood.

    A city like New Orleans is uniquely located deep in a giant river delta, with a huge tidal lake to its rear, low-lying marshes towards the sea, and the biggest river on the continent flowing through it. High ground exists no closer than Baton Rouge, Slidell, or Ponchatoula, many miles away. Only a handfull of roads lead out and most of them cross large water bodies on bridges subject to wave damage and lowlands subject to flooding.

    Evacuating New Orleans is not like evacuating Charleston, Mobile, or Jacksonville. Special conditions apply here that don't exist elsewhere. By the time a hurricane enters the Gulf of Mexico, it is probably already too late to completely evacuate the city.
     
  8. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I heard that environmentalists stopped the government from putting flood gates at the
    mouth of Lake Ponchatrain about 20 years ago.
    If these gates were there, would that have stopped the storm surge from going into
    Lake Ponchatrain?
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No. During a big storm surge the water would go right over the low-lying land and bypass the structures.

    The environmentalists are not the problem. The environment is.
     
  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I didn't think that would stop a storm surge either.
    I've often wondered if we could drop a bomb or something into the eye of
    a hurricane and blow it apart over open waters of course.
    I was wondering if that would alter the storm or do away with it.

    I'm sure we would've tried it by now if it would've worked however.
    Any thoughts?
     

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