Cam Cameron

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  1. ParadiseiNC

    ParadiseiNC don't worry, be happy

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    Dude, you make some good points sometimes, but its comments like this that really gut your credibility and objectivity. Bama has been consistently at the top the past 3-5 years. Yes, they lost to AU last year at the end on a very fluke play, but at least they were in that position to begin with. We weren't. This year, they supposedly had QB issues, and brought in a QB from a different school to supposedly start. They went w/a 5 year benchwarmer, and got to no. 1. Sure, they lost in the playoff, but they went down fighting, and actually led for entire first half. Can you say that about LSU? We went into a NC game in 2011 against them, and went down without fighting on offense - at all. Our defense and STs fought like hell, and the players on offense fought like hell, but our coaches on offense never adjusted the gameplan and never threw the kitchen sink at them.

    I am all LSU, but I don't constantly bash other successful teams to make myself feel better about my team. Bama recruits well and the success on the field shows that. Simple as that. We recruit well, and have ridden that to success on the field, but do not run an offense that puts our passing game in position to separate ourselves from our opponents as much as it should. Our many wins are constant battles, even in games we should win going away. Live with it. It's as simple as that. It's us that has proven more than anybody in the country that talent level doesn't always equal on field success, not Bama.
     
  2. ParadiseiNC

    ParadiseiNC don't worry, be happy

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    Okay, I understand your position, appreciate some of the subtleties of your points, and don't disagree that firing our coach will not "fix" our issues. But, lets flip your logic a bit. Do you think paying CLM 7 million a year will fix our problems? Will he suddenly recruit #1 talent, rather than #2 or #5? Do you think he will improve clock management issues, or suddenly coach up our QBs better? Or maybe by making more money, he will suddenly realize he needs a different type of QB altogether? IDK?

    Let's also flip your thoughts on Bama a bit. So, because they pay so much and invest in their product, they shouldn't be allowed to recruit #1 talent, and shouldn't start the year #1? Is the fact that they do both of those things not to their credit? It is not realistically possible in football to win every game every week, every year. In fact, no matter how much investment in the product, it is very difficult to win one NC, let alone multiple, and stay at the top year after year. To my thinking, CNS is doing more with a comparable talent level than CLM, and not because he is making more money to do it. The reality is the difference between #1 and #3 recruiting classes is not that great. You make it sound like the system is set up for them to do better. It's not. They are simply better at working within the system than we are. Their results per $ are better than our results per $.

    To be clear, for me personally, I have been pleased with CLMs overall tenure, the way he runs his program, the way he recruits top talent in a competitive but seemingly fair manner, and his overall record. That doesn't mean that I am not frustrated with our putrid offense, or that I can't be admiring of what Bama has done.

    Finally, I would say, after reading many of your posts, that you try to point out, in general, how others are blinded by their own perceptions, and I think that is true to some degree, but the same may be true for you. Whether you realize it or not, I do think you look at the situation the way you do to make yourself feel better about ours.
     
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  3. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I'd like to know what LSU's recruting budget is vs Alabama's.
     
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  4. GregLSU

    GregLSU LSUFANS.com

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    It's not even close. I don't remember the numbers, but Bama spends a ton on recruiting.
     
  5. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Aren't there rules that cover tha....oh wait
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This is the same old crap we've heard since Jimbo was here. Not one OC has ever said this. Not one coach has ever said this. Any head coach is going to hire an OC that does things he likes, but Les has always said that Cameron calls the plays.
     
  7. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Cameron calls the plays but it is within the framework of the offensive strategy dictated by Miles. If Les says to run the ball 75% of the time Cam will call run plays 75% of the time. But the failure to develop a viable QB is on Cameron. Funny how Brian Kelly got a litte used freshman prepared to play a great game in a month. And Urban Meyer had freshman Cardale Jones ready to step up to the plate when the starter broke his leg.
     
  8. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    That's was.their 3rd stringer.
     
  9. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Yes, but he became their 2nd stringer before the season started when Braxton Miller broke his leg
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Please re read. I said Cameron calls the plays. Stud called the plays, Crowton called the plays. That's not what im talking about. The offense was not constructed by Cam Cameron. It was constructed by Les Miles. It's his offense and Cameron calls plays from a playbook created by Les.


    To add, the jet sweeps etc I think we're added by Cameron although I'm not sure.
     
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