Vote Now! California's water problem

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Is the California drought a direct result of climate change?

  1. Well most climate scientists agree so yes

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  2. Wild guess yes

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  3. Yes you'd have to be an idiot to think it's not

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  4. No, climate change hasn't had anything to do with it

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  5. No there is not enough data to support this claim

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  6. No, Climate change is a hoax

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  7. Wild guess No

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    A republican against fracking?
     
  2. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    You're right it will be a challenge. That doesn't mean it can't be tried. However China announced a goal of a 25% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2030.
     
  3. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Who....me? I'm not a republican! And yes, I'm against fracking.
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Old school republican?
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not immediately, they simply can't. But they don't like being a part of the third world at their size and they will start trying to behave like the Western Great Powers insofar as in their power lies. They don't like the pollution of their rivers and air much either and realize that with their populations they must act or the entire countries will become a smoke-belching, polluted landfill. They are desperate for a solution and when we eventually develop a new energy source we will make a fortune selling it to them to replace oil and coal. America should be putting far more resources into research and development of green energy technology. We have let Europe outstrip us in simple wind power, that needs to be reversed. And we need to bear down hard on advanced technologies.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Fracking also has a lot of gray areas. In some geologic areas, fracking is no threat to groundwater whatsoever while in others it is a real and present danger to groundwater. Likewise in some areas there is plenty of surface water or non-potable groundwater to use for fracking, while in others the shortages of fresh water cannot abide the loss of huge quantities that fracking requires. A proper balance must be found here and I see that happening already.

    But the access to huge amounts of oil now trapped in shale is going to allow America to ride out the coming energy shortages far better than other countries. It has already eliminated our dependence on foreign oil. We buy foreign oil now because it is so cheap. I think we should be buying all of the cheap foreign oil that we can and leave most of our shale reserves in the ground until the day of extreme shortages arrive, and it will soon. Oil will become unaffordable and wars will be fought for access to it. We will be sitting behind our oceans with all of the oil we need if we play this smart.
     
  7. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Right. That's the thing, can/will anything go back?

    I read a report by NASA that rapid climate can he can take place in as little as 10 years. Some one mentioned China getting "better" by 2030. Lol.
     
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    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    This report says the US is leading.
    http://www.awea.org/MediaCenter/pressrelease.aspx?ItemNumber=6965
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well they are the American Wind Energy Association and they are very positive. And we are getting better. Yes, our total wind energy production is large because we are a very large country with the biggest energy demand in the world, by far. But wind energy is only 0.7% of our energy production. Denmark's is 16.8%, Germany 5.4%, Spain 8.5%, Portugal 5.9% . . . many countries have a higher percentage of wind power than the US. Denmark has the worlds largest wind turbine company along with a number of other wind power factories. Europe incentivizes developing wind power companies better than the US, where we pay Exxon (the worlds most profitable corporation) $millions per year in subsidies and $billions in tax breaks for a mature, profitable, but dirty industry with a declining future.
     
  10. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    You say declining future yet wind turbines need lubricating oil. Oil that Exxon provides to over 40,000 units lol. Unless you come up with a no moving part technology, moving parts generally need oil or something to lubricate.

    Plastics are also made from oil along with every items most all of us would call essential.

    We incent the shit out of renewables as well. Billions.

    We just don't have to run our country on wind as Natural gas has provided to be clean, cheap, abundant, and viable for the more load demanding nature of power usage.

    Wind/solar will never be able to replace until we figure out a way to store massive amounts of power.
     

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