California Bans Gay Marriage Prop 8

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  1. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    It has nothing to do with fault. The large turnout of blacks and latinos in CA for this election and their overwhelming propensity to support Prop 8 has been identified as a key reason why it passed. Nothing more, nothing less. It is to me, a form of discrimination, that is coming from a group of people who have suffered similarly in the past.

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    BTW, "my way" isn't something I've stated, only the facts as they are and the contradictory points of view from this state.
     
  2. DRC

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    Assuming the statistics uscvball presented are accurate, you can easily see how a minority block can swing a vote. When the large majority splits 50/50, its obvious that minorities voting heavily on one side will determine the outcome.
     
  3. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Here you go USCVB

    This is what I was referring too.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/prop-8-myths.html


     
  4. uscvball

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    But from the same piece!

    They can call it generational all day long but whether the black/latino voters were old or young, their turnout is what pushed 8 to victory. Remember you guesstimated the black vote at 4% when every source out there put it at 10. That is a VERY big difference.

     
  5. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    I said blacks where 4% of Californias electorate. 10% of the voting bloc on that specific measure is a totally different statistic. I still dont buy into that, I think it was generational, no matter what race of people.
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    It's really quite simple. Black voters mobilized like never before to support their candidate. They did not only go to the polls to pull the lever for Obama but they demonstrated a knowledge of Obama's positions. He was on record as being against changing the traditional definition of marriage and the vote just showed that they are in his corner. It's not discriminatory at all.
     
  7. uscvball

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    Maybe I'm not getting it. If blacks make up only 4% then how do they account for 10% THIS election? The fact is they showed up to vote for Obama (the youth vote was HUGE) and for whatever reasons (my opinion is that it's rooted in religious teachings) they voted in favor of Prop 8. You can think it's generational but whether old or young, blacks and latinos are the ethnic groups that pushed Prop 8 to victory.



    That's debatable. While BO has stated his personal opposition to gay marriage, he has also said he believes it should be a state's rights issue. Funny how that approach is more of a Republican way of thinking and in a way it protects him from both sides. "I don't like it but if you want to vote that way..........".
     
  8. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    My understanding is that he does not oppose "civil unions" but he is absolutely opposed to gay marriage in the traditional marriage sense.
     
  9. LSUMASTERMIND

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    ok we are past that part of it, but let me explain the 4% vs 10%.
    If California as whole has 10 million people in the voting electorate. Then black people make up 4% of that, its 400,000 black people in Califorinas overall electorate.
    However, all of California electorate didnt vote on this. So if 100 people voted on this specific measure and 10% where black, that means 10 black people voted on it. So if it was 70%, 7 out of 10 of those black people voted for it.

    Thats a huge difference.
     
  10. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Shoot, they've got about a gazillion fags in California. Where the hell were they?
     

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