well if they are cured, then somebody prayed for them, if not, nobody prayed, or somebody prayed that they would die.
why are you trying to make a point through my question to red without answering it? if i had asked that, then fine. I did not.
because to question whether a tumor actually went away without prayer, like red claimed, is kind of silly. i think we can assume that in the long and storied history of tumors, at least one improved independent of any prayer. even without god's help, i bet somebody got lucky. of course i am sure the majority of them were zapped by jesus.
if you say so. but like i said, i am willing to accept that, in the history of the world, at least one tumor got better without prayer. maybe even more than one.
it should also be noted that whever i hear a public prayer, i often pray for the opposite of what everyone else is praying for. that way, no matter what happens, somebody prayed for it. plus, since i am an exceptionally powerful prayer-person, i can pray circles around most chumps. so my prayers carry the weight of around 22.4 normal people. if the maximum GLF (God Listens Factor) was 10, i would be about a 8, and the average is 5. my prayers are not only full of spirit and impeccably stated, i guzzle red bull mixed with holy water before i pray to make my beseeching of our precious lord turbo-extreme.
"the arguments presented against evolution by creationists turn out to be addressed to the incredulity of the ignorant. If you cannot imagine something, then it cannot be true. If something seems out of line with ordinary experience, it must be attributed to supernatural influences. Such are the thought habits of uncultivated intellects - children, savages and simpletons" Michael T. Ghiselin- Evolutionary Biologist
"But when you pray, do not babble like the pagans do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words." Matthew 6:7.
dont worry, when i pray, i dont do that "speaking in tongues" crap. i know what i am doing. yunno what would be awesome, when they make computers that could sort of think, yunno really advanced computers that are super smart, you could program them to pray on your behalf. and since they never get tired, you could preset them with your prayers, and run them 24/7. and then when they get more advanced, you could turn up the speed so they pray really fast. it might sound weird speeded up like the chipmunks or whatever, but god doesnt give a damn. anyways, you could set it to pray the living crap out of it. then just set it with whatever you want, yunno, health or money or whatever, and it would pray so hard god would definitely give in. god would be like your parents when you ask them if they will take you to disneyworld 500 times a day. he would just eventually do whatever you said.
Don't take this a a defense of creationism, which I don't believe in. This is just a refutation of your quaint notion that "only low level university scientists" could be Christian. Invoking Einstein as being too rational to be Christian is really amusing since he was Jewish and a believer in God. Many of the major fields of science were founded by Christians. This information was taken from the book Men of Science, Men of God by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. 1. Johann Kepler (1571-1630) was the founder of physical astronomy. Kepler wrote "Since we astronomers are priests of the highest God in regard to the book of nature, it befits us to be thoughtful, not of the glory of our minds, but rather, above all else, of the glory of God. 2. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) was one of the greatest early mathematicians, laid the foundations for hydrostatics, hydrodynamics, differential calculus, and the theory of probability. To him is attributed the famous Wager of Pascal, paraphrased as follows: "How can anyone lose who chooses to be a Christian? If, when he dies, there turns out to be no God and his faith was in vain, he has lost nothing--in fact, has been happier in life than his nonbelieving friends. If, however, there is a God and a heaven and hell, then he has gained heaven and his skeptical friends will have lost everything in hell!" 3. Isaac Newton (1642-1727) invented calculus, discovered the law of gravity and the three laws of motion, anticipated the law of energy conservation, developed the particle theory of light propagation, and invented the reflecting telescope. He firmly believed in Jesus Christ as his Savior and the Bible as God's word, and wrote many books on these topics. 4. Carolus Linnaeus (1707-1778) was the father of biological taxonomy. His system of classification is still in use today. One of his main goals in systematizing the varieties of living creatures was an attempt to delineate the original Genesis "kinds." He firmly believed in the Genesis account as literal history. 5. John Dalton (1766-1844) was the father of atomic theory, which revolutionized chemistry. He was an orthodox, Bible-believing Christian. 6. Gregory Mendel (1822-1884) was the father of genetics. He had strong religious convictions and chose the life of a monk. He was a creationist and rejected Darwins's ideas, even though he was familiar with them. 7. Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) was the father of bacteriology. He established the germ theory of disease. His persistent objections to the theory of spontaneous generation and to Darwinism made him unpopular with the scientific establishment of his day. He was a Christian with extremely strong religious convictions. 8. William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) is considered one of the all-time great physicists. He established thermodynamics on a formal scientific basis, providing a precise statement of the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Lord Kelvin was a strong Christian, opposing both Lyellian uniformitarianism and Darwinian evolution. In 1903, shortly before his death, he made the unequivocal statement that, "With regard to the origin of life, science...positively affirms creative power." 9. Werner Von Braun (1912-1977) was the father of space science. He wrote, ."..the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." 10. Albert Einstein (1879-1955), formulator of the theory of relativity, which is one of the single greatest intellectual accomplishments in the history of man. Einstein was Jewish and thus did not follow in the Christian tradition of Newton or Faraday. He did not believe in a personal God, such as is revealed even in the Jewish Bible. Yet, he was overwhelmed by the order and organization of the universe and believed this demonstrated that there was a Creator.
