But is he a scientist?

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I feel more than qualified. Evoloution does not confirm or deny the existence of God for me. I believe God set everything in motion with or without evoloution.

    I just think the theory that eukaryotes evolved from prokaryotes is kinda dumb. Apparently some umpteen million years ago some prokaryote injested a mitochondria and they became one organism and that gave rise to all the plethora of species on our world. There are still prokaryotes in the world, there are still free lancing mitochondria, yet scientists have never observed this bonding that truly is the greatest missing link in evoloutionary science. It seems odd to me.
     
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    Absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence.
     
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    Touche Red, but we are talking science here so evidence is pretty important.
     
  4. martin

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    it is nice that you feel qualified.

    well, i guess god did it. in fact most scientists agree that in the absence of facts, one should rely on "faith". in fact most scientists also note that god so loved the world that he gave his only son. poor god.

    my point is this; until christians and religious people in general are willing to put aside their delusions, you just cant take them seriously. for example, jetstorm will come on and try as hard as he can to make rational arguments, and he is a smart guy, but you can tell he is basically straining to make things agree with his superstitions, which he cannot escape. christians and religious people are always trying their best to make the world make sense from the perspective of their religion, and that ruins everything.

    i know you are making whatever points you think you are making, not because you know science, but because you have to doubt anything that doesnt jibe with your personal mysticism.
     
  5. LSUsupaFan

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    You aren't reading what I am writing at all. I am saying I belive in God. Independently of that I have never been convincingly shown in anyway that evoloution happens. The evidence is inconclusive at best. My religious beliefs would be completely unaltered if science could "prove evoloution" and make it a scientific law.

    I believe God created the universe. The means by which the universe changed and the things in it evolved or didnt evolve does not change that belief.
     
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    Yet oddly enough, it was a Catholic priest who first came up with the "Big Bang Theory". Go figure.
     
  7. martin

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    and i am telling you this is based on ignorance.

    this is like me saying i have not been shown conclusively that the northern lights happens. i havent, but i really know nothing about it. if i wanted to, i could read about it, go north and look at it, and generally consider it. then i probably would agree with whatever they say causes it. but because i am now pretty much clueless about it, that doesnt mean i will doubt it. you just don't know much about evolutionary biology.

    do you realize that scientists do not have debates like this one? only religious people do.
     
  8. LSUsupaFan

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    There are many credible scientists who dispute endosymbiosis theory. There are many who doubt macro evoloution all together. Remember the heliocentric theory was laughed at by a majority of scientists when Copernicus proposed it. Just because the scientific community widely accepts something does not make it factual. Never once have I said I do not believe in evoloution. I think our understanding of it is minimal at best, and I think it is wrong of the scientific community to pass it as fact.
     
  9. martin

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    scientists debate the specifics of evolution all the time, but no real scientist debates that it happened. no real scientist would every say "To say mammals evolved from single celled organisms to me is a stretch", like you did. that really isnt a question that there is any debate on in the scientific community.

    in fact, when you make a statement like that, you reveal yourself as either ignorant or religious.
     
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    "amidst all this turmoil no biologist has been lead to doubt the fact that evolution occurred; we are debating how it happened. We are all trying to explain the same thing: the tree of evolutionary descent linking all organisms by ties of genealogy. Creationists pervert and caricature this debate by conveniently neglecting the common conviction that underlies it, and by falsely suggesting that evolutionists now doubt the very phenomenon we are struggling to understand."

    - stephen jay gould (one of world's most respected evolutionary biologists, even was on the simpsons once)
     

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