But is he a scientist?

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    straw man. scientists are very careful to use the word "theory". it is the creationists who claim to have the answers.


    hahah, open inquiry and truth? coming from a christian that really is laughable. thew whole of christianity is based on faith, or the idea that there needs to be no inquiry. you just shut your eyes and your mind and concentrate really hard and hope you are right.

    two of the world's most famous evolutionary biologists, richard dawkins and steven jay gould, have had a long and contentious debate about macroevolution. you act like debate is off limits. it isnt. but it is just laughable that a christian creationist would have any part in a rational debate. maybe they could defend their arguments with statements like "the dang wizard shot a lightning bolt and shocked some mud to life". christians just cant be taken seriously as scientists. christians are for pointing at, laughing, and mocking.

    you have such a poor understanding of this. you cant just know something out of the blue. if you dont know all the answers, you call your best guess a "theory" and keep trying. you cant make things "law", just by open debate, if we just dont know the answer yet. besides how are scientists supposed to not laugh at the argument "the invisible magic wizard created it". i have not really seen many experiments that support the invisible magic wizard man theory. inviting a christian creationist to a debate is like inviting a tarot card reader to help you put together your investment portfolio, or asking a psychic to help in a police investigation.

    most people are christians. if it wasnt for the stupid indoctrination and brainwashing, they would be rational and just accept the world as it is, without needing "faith".

    i like to be very condescending to christians sometimes, because it is just that stupid. it is the opposite of rational thinking. it is anti-science. the fundamental beliefs of christianity or nothing short of lunacy, and christians are basically not able to exist without lying to themselves. they are intellectual cowards.

    again, i thing you are a great case study for how perfectly intelligent people cannot escape what they have been indoctrinated/brainwashed with. when you beat something into somebody's head when they are a child, most of the time they cannot escape it.

    you must be dealing with some stupid scientists. every real scientist freely admits that science is very very far from having all the answers. my guess is it frustrates you that they dont give more creedence to magic as an explanation. years and years and years ago you would be the guy claiming zeus and poseidon were calling the shots.

    here is some reading material:

    http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/azimov_creationism.html
     
  2. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    GOD DID IT!

    The Bible says it, and that settles it!

    In fact, that's all that is necessary in high school biology textbooks, from a creationist point of view.

    Let the kids memorize 3 words, and give them all A's.
     
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    If evolution is true, from what did everything evolve? If it evolved from this, where did this come from? If it evolved from that, where did that come from.
     
  4. martin

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    if everything had to come from something else, where did god come from?

    was there a turbo-god who made him? aww dang, then who made the turbo god?

    if we look back and see what everything came from, we are eventually are gonna get to a point where we arent not really sure where that thing came from, or if it just was always there or whatever. that doesnt mean we can then claim the wizard man put it there.
     
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    Just look around you, at the universe. You cannot really believe that everything you see just evolved from........nothing. I don't understand everything about how something or some being could not have a beginning but that is the only explanation about the creation of the world that can be true. Darwin was wrong and so are you. Your explanation of all dogs evolving from the wolf proving evolution, holds no water. The wolf is still a dog and all dogs are dogs. They did not evolve from another animal.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    In fact they did just that. The evidence is overwhelming.
     
  7. LSUsupaFan

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    Species evlove by passing traits. This is observable. I read about a type of wobbler bird that decorates its nest with blue colored things. One type decorates its test with red colored things. Twenty years ago these were one species. Now red decorators only mate with red decorators, and the same goes for blues. This has created two species

    Species do evolve and there is no denying it.

    To say mammals evolved from single celled organisms to me is a stretch. This is in no way observable or testable. The fossil record has way to many gaps to be relied upon, and scientists are regularly revising what bones go with what animal. Remember the Brontsaurus. Eventually scientists realized they had mixed the bones from two different dinosaurs and created a species that did not exist.

    There was another early man discovered some time ago, then scientists realized what they found wasn't an early man, but a modern man that over time had his bones mixed up with those of a pig.

    The best way for anyone to analyze this to remember what St. Thomas Aquinas said about creation. "Look at the world, and know God did it."
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    this is just ignorance on your part. ask a biology professor to explain this to you, or do some reading.

    well, maybe more than ignorance.
     
  9. LSUsupaFan

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    How is it ignorance to say that I think something is a stretch. How is the micro evoloution of single celled organisms into complex organisms observable? How has it been tested? It is all theory. Evoloutionary science is far from exact and even farther from convincing.

    Personally I don't care if evoloution happens at just the micro level or macro level. God set the universe in motion. The means of getting it from point A to point B are all His.
     
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    right, if you believe god set the universe in motion and all that, then you have no intention of being realistic or believing science. so it is really a waste of your time to even think about it.

    christians are terribly unqualified to comment on science.
     

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