Bush planned Iraq war BEFORE 9/11

for the first time, i agree with you on something. we are way too pro-israel. we should cut them off and tell them to fix their own damn problems. and you are right, our siding with israel is a big reason arabs hate us.

zionism is stupid. israelis are stupid. religious people of all kinds are stupid. zionism is particularly horrible. arabs are stupid. they are all one big mess. we should have realize what a powder keg the whole thing is years ago and left them to kill each other. we have no chance of resolving the arab/israeli conflict, we should just let them kill each other until one side wins.

i believe that if we did not favor israel, we would have alot less terrorism to deal with. if you are a arab child and you grow up seeing the israeli army in american made tanks and jets killing your community, you learn to hate the US. i dont favor the arabs or the israelis, i dont care if they slaughter each other, i just think we should understand that taking sides only hurts us.

so i agree about our helping israel, its wrong. but then you go on to babble about how everything is about oil, and it isnt. you are wrong. was somalia about oil? is bosnia about oil, afghanistan? how many people would saddam have had to murder before it wasnt about oil?

 

All wars without congress actually declaring war are unconstitutional.
We should not be there.

 

who cares. there was a time when drinking beer was unconstitutional. strict constructionist views of the constitutionism are mindless. the constitution wasnt written by god. things are right and wrong independent of the constitution.

its not like when something is wrriten in the constitution it magically becomes right.

 

It is the law that the country is supposed to be governed by.
To argue otherwise is foolhardy. But, it is something that looney lefties like to ignore when it comes time for some social engineering.
Ignoring the constitution is why the government is too big.

 

i care less about laws than i do about what i actually think is right. i break laws all the time, everyone does. i dont care that it is illegal to bet on sports or drive over the speed limit, i like to do both occasionally. i ignore plenty of laws. you probably do too.

the government is indeed way too big, and definitely would be smaller if we stuck to the constitution. however, we should not blindly say "the war is bad because we havent followed the constitution in going into it"

the war is either a good or a bad idea, irrespective of the constitution, just like alcohol was a good idea, even when constitutionally prohibited.

to blindly follow the constitution is like blindly following the bible. fine if you hate to think.

 

I do not drink.
I do not gamble.
I do not speed ,intentionally.

You assumed that I did , because you do. Rules and laws are for the continuance of civilization. My point was, if the laws had been followed, we would not be in Iraq. period.

I don't like the fact that some countries have socialized medicine. The level of care is sometimes not so great there. By your train of logic (or lack of it) it would be ok to invade them if it suited a better outcome.(to you)

 

no i didnt, i said you "probably" do, and i was right. you just said you speed unintentionally. its illegal regardless if you meant to do it. so you break laws, just like everyone, and that makes my point that laws arent so sacred that breaking them should never be done. often you should decide to do the right thing independent of the law.

listen closely : breaking laws isnt immoral or wrong in some magical way. if disobeying the constitution is the right thing to do, then we should do it.

you have an irrational, almost religious tie to the consitution.


so if you claim the war is unconstitional, congratulations on your observational skills. but i say i dont care about the constitution, only what is right. you define what should be done in this case by reading the constitution. i dont, and nor should everyone else.

"My point was, if the laws had been followed, we would not be in Iraq. period."

and i am telling you again that what is a prudent decision is often independent of laws or constitutions. understand that?

maybe we should call off our fighting in afganistan also and let OBL go plan another mass murder of americans? after all we never declared war and the constitution says we cant go to war without congress right?

 

Absolutely.
Did you vote for clinton? Twice?

 

of course not, i dont like to vote for tax and spend candidates. like you, i hate big government. i am in favor of economic and social freedom, unlike almost ever major candidate out there.

but nice job changing the subject after i explained how you are mistaken about the constitution being sacred.

 

You didn't explain anything. You made a statement of personal opinion. The constitution isn't sacred, it is the supreme law of the land. It has mechanisms built into it so that it can be changed(ammendments). You act as if you have no concept of how our government is supposed to operate. You rant with no basis in fact, only "feelings". You are wrong.