Bush commutes Libby's prison sentence

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Far beyond reason in my opinion, if it makes you feel better. We're all making our opinions known here, ain't we? Assertiveness is often mistaken for arrogance, but there is a difference.

    as·ser·tive –adjective
    Having or displaying confidence and self-assuredness

    ar·ro·gant –adjective
    Having or displaying an exaggerrated sense of self-worth or self-importance.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    it is amazing how often we need you to help us with word definitions.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Good discussion is hampered by poor vocabulary.
     
  4. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I wasn't talking about where they came from.
    I was talking about prosecutors that have limitless power to do as they wish
    with no checks and balances.
    Even if there isn't any wrong doing they have reasons enough to find something just because they will look bad if they come up with nothing.

    I don't know, I don't trust the justice system any more than I trust the political system in this country.
    Reasons being instances like the Ramseys, Duke Lacross case, etc.
     
  5. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    There are lots of checks and balances on the powers of a prosecuter. There are judges, there are defense attorneys, there are grand juries, and there is the right to not self-incriminate. Furthermore a prosecuter has to prove his cas beyond any reasonable doubt. There are some breakdowns in our system caused by lots of things but overall our justice system is awesome.
     
  6. Chip82

    Chip82 Founding Member

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    When Valarie Plame went before the Congressional panel she was asked if she was in fact a covert CIA operative at the time the information was leaked to the press.

    Her answer: "I don't know if I was legally considered a covert agent at that time. I'm not an attorney so I would have to say that I'm not sure."
     
  7. Indiana Tiger

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    I'm sure you're trying to communicate something insightful to me, but I don't know what it is. However, I'll try to respond.

    First, I don't know if Plame testified as you say. The closest I can find to your quote is at about the 8:25 mark in the linked below:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=dxhBWOYTuNQ&mode=related&search=

    If you watch, you'll find she doesn't say what you quote. In part 1 of the series, she opens with testimony that she is covert, and in part 4, she can't be more direct in claiming to be covert. But assuming she did testify as you say in some other testimony, I certainly could understand why. When this broke republican operators worked feverishly to obfuscate whether Plame was convert or not. Victoria Toensing, who helped draft the law in the Reagon admin, was a primary lead in this effort. She declared categorically that Plame was not covert at every opportunity. Since lying to Congress is a crime, I too would be very careful when testifying about the technical aspects of any law.

    More importantly however, is that it is irrelevent how she testified because she was covert as defined by law. Common sense tells us that the CIA would not have pressed this case otherwise. Fitzgerald tells us categorically in the court documents (easily found on the internets).

    If you were trying to make some other point that eludes me, post and if I can, I'll respond.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Arguing that Plame was not covert is a smokescreen.

     

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