Bush as war-time president

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    There's a difference between vehement disagreement and insults. I'll admit that I go off on occasiion, usually when my low tolerance for stupidity is breached and alcohol gets involved. I always think the do gooders and ignorant critics are stupid but I usually just try and ignore them.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But he did not miss Happy Hour.
     
  3. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    Lincoln was absolutely vilified in terms we would find hard to imagine today.
     
  4. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    I have to join the minority it stating Korea was a win - not a tie. Our primary purpose was to prevent North Korea from taking over South Korea. We were successful in that endeavor. Yes, the war ended with the territorial lines being pretty close to what they were when the war began. That is why people claim it was a tie. Nothing seemed to be won or lost by either side. But the outcome of the war cannont be judged simply by territorial boundaries, but by the success or failure of the sides to achieve their purpose. North Korea failed in its purpose to take over S. Korea. S. Korea achieved its purpose in defending itself.
     
  5. jesuit_flyer

    jesuit_flyer Founding Member

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    I would say it's a tie or if you like "to be decided" since technically the war is not over...

    It's strange how history has worked out there. If the Japanase had never invaded and annexed Korea in the early 1900's, the USSR and the U.S. would had never divided the country up and installed our respective and reflective idealogical governments - which ended up leading to the start of civil war as those two factions fought for political power.

    However, had we not intervened in this manner in the 1940's the Korean penisula would likely now be a completely communist state as that was the pervading political lean at the time. Now South Korea has one of the world's largest economies...

    Typing this actually gives me hope the Iraq conflict may end up working out in the long run.
     
  6. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    You're right. Technically the war was never ended. There was never a peace treaty, but a truce. But that is some technicality. The hostilities have certainly ended. For all practical purposes, the war is ended. If there is an outbreak of hostilities one day, it will likely be called something other than the Korean War.
     
  7. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Technically it wasn't a war.
     
  8. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I think you could ask South Korea and they would say that the war never ended.
    If my memory serves me right we cut and run at some point and a lot of Koreans were killed or was that vietnam?

    Imagine what it must be like living in South Korea all of these years following
    the Korean war.
    Its a damn shame we didn't nuke North Korea, they both would have been
    better off today.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Never trust your memory on events that happened before you were born. Read the history books. Nobody "cut and ran" in Korea or Vietnam. Korea ended with an cease-fire that left the front lines in roughly the same place as when the war started. The North Korean invasion of the south failed, and US troops are still manning the same front-line trenches after almost 60 years.

    We didn't run from Vietnam either. We discovered that were were not, in fact, fighting international communism, but were in the middle of a civil war. We won every battle but the war itself was not our fight and was unwinnable, so we smartly left it to the Vietnamese to settle themselves. The dominoes did not fall, international communism did fall, and Vietnam has been falling all over themselves to be our friends ever since.

    Sound familiar?

    That foolish plan was what got MacArthur fired by Truman. That would have meant another World War (with China and Russia) just 5 years after WWII. Nobody wanted it. Nobody needed it. Korea wasn't worth it and still isn't.

    Military conquest is not the solution to every political problem, is that not apparent to you yet?
     
  10. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    Sorta:hihi: :lol:

    Not sure, respectfully....
    Japan after WWII for instance.
    The best thing might've been to take care of Russia and China both at that
    time that way neither country would be the threat they are today.
    We could be one big happy family!:grin: :yelwink2:

    NO, not at all!
    I wish the terrorists, China, Russia, Iran and North Korea thought that way
    though, I hope I didn't leave anyone out!
    Someone forgot to tell them?:yelwink2:
     

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