Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill Those are the same areas we fish, but we also hit Bayou Terrebonne, the Robinson Canal area, and Lake Boudreaux. I have spent alot of time fishing the area around the old Shlitz camp, but I haven't been there since before Gustav. Is the Shlitz camp still around?
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill Thats why he calls in the National Guard...Im serious it is pretty clear that if we dont start helping ourselves around here aint nothing gonna get done
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill Crip...you are talking about the army CORPSE of engineers...right? :hihi:
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill The contractors to do the dredging are available, it is the CORPS permits that they are waiting on. The CORPS has its hands tied by regulations, so the governor is planning to dredge anyway and wait for permits later. But he has to be careful. If he skips some basic items that have to be investigated before dredging he risks . . . 1. Causing more harm by rupturing one of the 300 or so large pipelines that cross the Louisiana coast if they aren't properly surveyed. 2. Wasting time and resources pumping sand into a berm that will not withstand normal wave, tide, and current action. You just can't put a sand berm anywhere on dynamic shorelines and tidal inlets without knowledge of the depth, sediments, and currents. The ocean is powerful. 3. Creating unexpected consequences. Any time we try to engineer a natural system, nature attempts to find equilibrium, sometimes with spectacular and unexpected results. Berms put up in certain places will affect the current and tides and perhaps make oiling much worse at a downshore location. While the red tape must be cut ruthlessly, it behooves the governor to make sure some basic precautions are taken, because if he bypasses the established criteria and takes away responsibility from the Corps, then he cannot hold them accountable for unpleasant, unanticipated consequences and it will come back upon his shoulders. Hopefully this delay is to make sure that the absolutely essential safeguards and precautions are taken and not thrown out with the bureaucratic red tape.
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill Red, you're right about all that and I want to add one more consideration... ...that the offshore sands that need to be dredged are probably already themselves "oiled". Pumping operations could also possibly coincidentally pump those submerged oil plumes in as well. That's why it should have been acted on immediately three weeks ago when Jindal and Nungesser first pushed for it. It may well be too late now.
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill I guess I kind of assumed that the governor would have all this info already considering that they have been trying to get this done since BEFORE Katrina....they should already know where the pipes are and where to lay the sand...the results of what will happen after the fact no one knows that and any kind of test or models would be their best guesses at best. However I do like having them to BLAME if something goes wrong. The way I look at it is Hurricane season starts in little over a week if a storm even a Cat 1 was to come through right now...I hate to even think about what would happen....
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill Oil would be everywhere that the storm surge would take it. I spoke with an oil company employee at the brew pub after work who assured me that bacteria would clean up the spill and all would be fine in a few years after mother nature took care of itself. He went on to explain to me how bacteria already eat up the oil and the Louisiana "sweet" crude is actually oil that the bacteria haven't gotten to yet...so there are naturally occurring bacteria that will do the job for us. That's how these arrogant A-holes think. He was hard pressed to give me an answer to my question about how exactly is that going to keep the marsh grasses alive so that they can continue holding the soil together. All he could say was that Nutria cause more marsh damage than the oil spill will. I told him to quit smoking crack and look at things objectively for a change and take off his "spin colored glasses". How many millions of gallons of oil are out there is not even clear so how many bacteria are naturally there and at what rate they eat the oil is unknown so how long it will be before it naturally clears up is impossible to even guess. Grandiose arrogant thought seems rational when you surround yourself with "yes men"...but when you're challenged by someone who doesn't buy into your bull $hit it can be pretty revealing. I hope he's right though...but I wouldn't bet a dollar on it.
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill He's right . . . and he's also wrong. Much research on spill effects in the marsh have been done and many remediation techniques have been tested in small test areas all over the coastal plain. It is true that bioremediation by bacteria has proven effective in many test scenarios, but it has not in others, there are so many variables involved. But in a spill this size, quantity factors that cannot be adequately tested in small study areas can skew the results widely in both directions. If it takes bacteria 40 years to remediate this spill, most people will consider it a failure. In fact, burning of oiled marsh has even proved an effective remediation method in small test plots under average conditions. The marsh recovered and put out new shoots quickly. But with the vast area of this spill and the greatly different water, weather, and vegetation conditions, it might not prove so effective. And even then the cost of fire to wildlife might be even higher and not worth the help it may give to the marsh grass recovery. To my knowledge this has not been studied to to the small size of study areas available to test. One of the most important things that needs to happen right now while this spill is happening is to get monitoring of it funded so that we can study how a real spill--a really big real spill--actually evolves, moves, and impacts the ecosystems and later, how effective he remediation efforts are. In this fashion we can better understand how to deal with the next Big One by having results from a vast database of real observations rather than having to create large virtual models based on tiny test plots.
Re: Oil Rig explosion/Gulf Oil Spill on WWL today a BP rep had no idea about anything involved as to why JP officials took over the boats and had no idea why the boats werent being used and had no idea about pretty much anything.... He did know that they are trying hard to get it under control and that the top kill which was suppose to be Sunday then it was suppose to be Tuesday BUT is NOW on for Wednesday is their absolute best shot at fixing the leak...THEY HOPE!!!! These were the words from his mouth. And oh BP is gonna donate 500 Million Dollars to Spill RESEARCH so that IF this happens again we will be better suited to handle it. FU(K it I say we shut down the god damn state lines..KEEP all of our OIL HERE..KEEP ALL OF OUR SEAFOOD HERE!!! **** EVERYONE ELSE!!!
