Birthright citizenship

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  1. dachsie

    dachsie Freshman

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    Trump is considering and executive order abolishing birthright citizenship. The 14th amendment states:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

    So the bolded part there is what he is debating. Is someone who comes illegally "subject to the jurisdiction thereof?

    I have mixed feelings about this. I could see denying citizenship if you are here illegally. But if you are here legally, then I would be ok with citizenship for your child. I understand why he is doing it. Just not sure this is the way to do it. It will be settled by the courts whatever happens.

    This article explains it a little. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...b1HMmE0XZ4CjsvM1WTZLiK-i2r9O08uOzpL4v2_CyfU4w
     
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  2. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun I'll try to be nicer, if you try to be smarter!

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    I just ordered a well reviewed book on the Rise of Adolph Hitler. I’m at the point where I need some context. I’ll post up when I finish that.
     
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  3. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Veteran Member

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    IMO, we need to adopt the policy of all other industrialized nations.

    A child born of a non citizen can acquire citizenship if they meet these requirements:

    1) one or both parents have resided in the nation for at least 8 years with a LEGAL permit.
    AND
    2) the child has resided in the nation for at least 8 years of their first 21 years of life.

    The 14th was a terrible Amendment. The purpose was to naturalize children of the slave and work populations from Africa and China. It should have been handled with an ACT or EO, not an Amendment.
     
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  4. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    There goes our chance of winning a World Cup.

    If he issues an executive order, it will be overturned by the courts. The Supreme Court will eventually decide.
     
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  5. GiantDuckFan

    GiantDuckFan O the Joy

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    dachsie, I agree with what you said.

    I've always thought birthright citizenship was a romantic notion that in reality has lured illegals to America, and has added to our big mess, this needs to be changed,
     
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  6. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Veteran Member

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    As I read it, it is the “illegal” part that he is talking about banning.

    Reality, he is just elevating the issue such that it becomes part of the national dialogue. He knows in o dear to do that, he has to make an outlandish proclamation to suck the media in to broadcast it.
     
  7. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    My thoughts are in line with @dachsie on the concept. However I have a real serious issue with attempting to use an Executive Order to bypass the Constitution. It continues the road to an imperial presidency and deteriorates the structures that made the US such a success.
    Amending the Constitution is hard and it was meant to be. The founding fathers did not trust pure democracy with good reason.
     
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  8. kcal

    kcal Founding Member

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    it’s all in the interpretation of the amendment itself

    Is trump bypassing the constitution or is he upholding it
     
  9. Winston1

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    I guess the SCOTUS will decide.
     
  10. Rolan

    Rolan Live from Houston

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    I think this is actually a good idea from Trump as long as it's for illegal parents, and hopefully the eo stuff is just a way to get congress off its ass. I really hope he doesn't use executive order, I have issues with how executives orders keep getting expanded 1 president at a time.

    I also hope it includes a legal way for kids who were born here from illegal immigrants to become citizens when they are adults.
     

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