Bill to raise Fed minimum wage to $10 hr

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    This is like me saying that the government should manage what you eat for dinner and then when you are critical I claim it was only my opinion. Everything we say is just our opinion. I was just Germany's opinion that hitler should rule. Opinions matter in politics. Your opinions are stupid and invasive and call for a far too powerful federal government. You should have opinions that leave people alone and stop trying to control every aspect of everyone else's lives. If two people make a deal, one is willing to pay another for a preset price, just leave them alone.

    You have equated a voluntary exchange of labor for capital with slavery. This indicates that you do not know what slavery is. Real slavery does exist, and that ain't it. So "just your opinion, no big deal" is almost supernaturally stupid.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, it would be like you having an opinion that the government should manage what I like for dinner and me saying that you're trying to manage me and you won't leave me alone because You're a goddam hero and you are making me quit dinner because you know WTF is best for everyone and it's not your business.

    Just more of your puerile dramatics.

    Fine, you have an opinion, too.

    Don't be an ass. It's an opinion, it's not about me "leaving anybody alone". I have no power to force anything and everybody knows this except you, apparently. You are being quite foolish and are transparently trying to stifle my opinion. No chance, Moriarty.

    "Slave wages" is the term I used.

    "Wage slavery refers to a situation of quasi-voluntary slavery where a person's livelihood depends on wages, especially when the dependence is total and immediate. It is a negatively connoted term used to draw an analogy between slavery and wage labor, and to highlight similarities between owning and employing a person. The term wage slavery has been used to criticize economic exploitation and seen primarily as unequal bargaining power between labor and capital (particularly when workers are paid comparatively low wages)."​

     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    right. and when hilter was coming to power, the german people as individuals had no power to force anything. but together, favoring stupid policy and leaders, they did. its stupid to favor terrible things. dont favor stupid things.

    holy moses you are dishonest. you said:

    "To pay anyone a wage that doesn't get them above the poverty line is paying them slave wages and slavery is illegal"

    you said that. not me. red. red said it. why is red talking about slavery when one person is voluntarily offering another person a job they do not have to take?
    stop backtracking, youa re the one who said slavery is illegal. why are you even talking about slavery?


    its a contradiction in terms. if i offer you a job for one dollar an hour, you do not have to take it. if you are in such terrible shape that you do have to take, i feel fr you, bro, and you damn sure dont need the government stepping in and telling me i cant hire you.

    slavery necessarily means forced. if you can quit, you aint no slave. wage slavery is "quasi slavery" the way mcdonalds is a business that quais-forces cheeseburgers in your mouth. its such a fucking stupid point as to to not be worth saying.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Blah, blah more meaningless drivel. Nobody has invoked Hitler here.

    Read the definition of wage slavery again. I'm not repeating myself.

    Slavery is illegal. A fact. So is paying someone below minimum wage. Starting to see the analogy now? Geez you are stupid today.

    If you offer me a job at one dollar an hour, you are immoral and a criminal. But we knew this already.

    Wage slavery is the economic exploitation of people who have no other options to make a living. You really should buy an encyclopedia and a dictionary. The term has been around for millennia.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    red do you own an ipad? yes, you do. do you know how much those guys who build your ipad make? around 2 an hour. and they are some of the best paid workers around, people take trains for hundreds of miles to get work at the factories that make ipads. the other factories pay much less. and with those 2 or 3 dollars an hour they make, they cant afford much. many of them live in comany barracks without private rooms or bathrooms, nowhere to bang their girlfriends, not enough money for any vacations or luxuries at all. but they take those jobs. and you are the one hiring them, are you immoral? would you prefer that the government shut down those factories?

    why do you support slavery?

    you say if i offer you a job for 1 dollar an hour i am immoral. this is not true. i just gave you more options than you have before. you dont have to take my job. extra options are never bad.

    imagine i have a factory. andi make widgets, and i hire local students and entry level workers by the hundreds. most of them work for a short time and move on, some of the best ones rise up through the ranks and make proper careers and become managers and executives. and all of them leave with very valuable work experience. who are you to dictate to me what i shouldnt offer anyone these low paying jobs?

    do you believe unpaid internships should be illegal? why not?
     
  6. LSUsupaFan

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    Why don't they just pass a bill to raise the prices at Taco Bell?
     
  7. mobius481

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    Bite your tongue!! Don't mess with my double decker tacos.
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Your little drama ignores two things. One-the cost of living is lower over there and the Apple factory wages are higher than most jobs available locally. It is allowing China to develop a middle class. You must apply Chinese standards in China.

    But the more reliant fact is that we can't vote in China. We are talking about American minimum wage, don't try to change the subject.

    Philosophically, perhaps. But practically it doesn't work that way. If you offer $1 an hour for any job in America, you are breaking the law which is immoral in itself, but more importantly it is immoral because you intend to profit more from this at the expense of the workforce. $1 is demonstrably slave wages in America.

    I dictate nothing to you. The law does. I merely understand and support the law and you hold it in contempt.

    I've had both paid and unpaid interns and I believe that interns should be paid. That's one of the things to learn in an internship--that work equals pay. Paid interns take the job far more seriously and provide value, while unpaid interns usually do not. Any internship I offer comes with pay, in the form of cash or in degree credits.

    I do not think free internships should be illegal, though. Most are volunteers who solicit me for the position. Volunteers do not seek pay, by definition.
     
  9. Atreus21

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    The left's tirade against first level economics continues.

    Your son seems sick. You take his temperature. It reads 101.5. You scratch out the numbers and enter 98.6. Problem solved.

    Go ahead. Raise the minimum wage. As if we don't have high enough unemployment.
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Minimum wage did not cause the unemployment problem. Corporations sending factory jobs overseas is the big offender followed by outsourcing service jobs. McDonalds and Taco Bell are not going to shut down because of a minimum wage increase, nor are they going to be sent overseas.
     

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