Obama Benghazi

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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Thats pretty much it. Bush had secret motives, implanted false data into the intelligence community, produced false intelligence reports, paid top Democrats and then hand selected 4,000 troops to murder.
     
  2. Winston1

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    I think we can all agree that the invasion of Iraq was on W's initiative. He wanted to go in and kick Saddam's ass out. Why he wanted to is open to question... Did he believe Saddam was a true threat to the future of the ME? Was it because he believed in what he had been preaching that the ME was ripe for secular democracy (he preached that well before BHO) and Iraq was the best place to start? Was it to get more oil? Was it to "avenge his daddy or show up his daddy? I don't know though I suspect there was a little of all the above. Regardless he as well as the rest of the world (including Saddam's generals) believed he had stockpiled WMDs (chemical & biological). Current belief is that he kept the idea alive to deter the Iranians.

    Again while some questioned their existance Putin (a Saddam supporter), the French (sold SH machines to make WMDs)believed he did. Everyone in leadership of both parties in the US did. The Isrealis and Saudis did. Were there some in the intelligence community that questioned it? Yes but the preponderence of evidence supported their existance. SO it wasn't a lie that there were WMDs (the purported reason for the war) but a mistake. Make no mistake Colin Powell was fully invested and a complete partner in this belief.

    The scandal is how everything after the initial invasion was botched so badly. It was criminal what the state department did to support Chalabi, the lack of preperation for occupation and the pissed poor way they handled EVERY measure before the surge. It wrecked our economy because they refused to pay for it with taxes and damaged the military. This is a stain that will haunt Ws legacy forever.
     
  3. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Sport W wasn't smart enough or devious enough to do that. Besides a GREAT majority of the intelligence was developed BEFORE W took office. Most of the intelligence is the property of the Clinton administration. Get off of your conspirisy theory BS.

    Damn you got me again Pride I missed the sarcasm LOL
     
  4. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    you really shouldnt disclose that info.
     
  5. alfredeneuman

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    Only for as long as it takes for someone else to take his place. It's a never ending cycle, and every UAS strike in the FATA creates more, the effects of which you won't see ending any time soon
     
  6. alfredeneuman

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    Hey, man! No, still taking care of business. Found out about the tornados this morning. Sorry to see that, bro. Prayers definitely go out to them
     
  7. alfredeneuman

    alfredeneuman Founding Member

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    Have you taken a look who is gaining and maintaining wealth supporting this administration's actions or does your M-I complex theory only apply to GWB? And I haven't seen the selective outrage from the left when deaths in OEF hit 2,000 and climbing.
     
  8. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    the left generally has much less problem with OEF than OIF, explaining MLUTiger's reference. there's a difference between war and war for no good reason.
     
  9. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    I would think that everyone would have less an issue with war for a just cause than a war for profit made possible by intentionally misleading people. I had no problem with Afghanistan. I had no problem with Iraq despite the lack of a link with Al Qaeda, unlike 80% of Americans who mistakenly felt there was a connection. The outright defiance of 19 UN resolutions and continuing to manufacture WMDs and prohibited weapons after displaying a willingness to use them should be answered with military action. I'm by far not a pacifist. It's an imperfect world and sometimes the kid with the biggest stick needs to swing it around sometimes.

    However, I was lied to. We were all lied to. The reasons for invading Iraq, unseating Saddam and turning the country of Iraq inside out were not justified. After that, we have an obligation to invest in Iraq and correct the problems we created.

    I won't bother to get into the economic mess it created back home...
     
  10. alfredeneuman

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    So let me get this straight...you righteous indignation concerning Iraq stems from you thinking you were lied to. But being deliberately lied to about Benghazi is of no concern to you. Were you not duped into thinking what happened was a result of a video and not AQ, all because of the potential fallout during an election year? Were you not led to believe AQ was on the run after UBL was killed? Do you not see the far reaching effects of this, not to mention the other two prominent self-inflicted scandals? I can understand supporting the guy you voted for, but come on, man, this is not support-it's hero worship.
     
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