Anyone still believe in the merit of Affirmative Action?

This AA entitlement has gone on for so long, that students have been promoted to the next grade even though they have not earned it. The cost of being Politicaly Correct. So when you've been unfairly promoted once, it must continue. These same students end up in college, promoted all the way through too a college degree, because life wasn't fair to them, and then these same students end up as teachers of our children.

This is the same PC crowd that doesn't want you to keep score at sporting events. So we can all FEEL EQUAL!!! ( and promotes false self-esteem )

Then, don't even think about questioning these teachers, or dare to require a test of all teachers to be sure they are qualified to teach our kids.

AA, NEA, and the entire politicaly correct crowd are all one big part of this S.N.A.F.U.

Lottery you say your looking for solutions,in my opinion there are none. AA is supposed to help make up for racial descrimination, well descrimination comes from someone's heart ,soul or mind. I don't think you can legislate that away.And I don't think we're ready for the " The Thought Police. "

What bothers me the most is the problems we may have created throughout this country by promoting people to positions they are not qualified to have.

Maybe Rodney had the answer. "can't we all just get along"!!

 

i wants me some free stuff massa!

 

Martin, thats not funny. What you guys don't understand is AA, itself, does not give an opportunity to a black kid who is unqualified compared to a white kid. It involves kids with similar qualifications. Some people have abused AA, but we need to stop the abusers and not the program itself. If America is going to call itself the land of freedom and opportunity, it cannot sit and do nothing and allow discrimination in jobs and other opportunities to persist.

 

Which proves AA is helping you get what you don't deserve. Our system at work folks. Talk about descrimination, Lottery gets a job and a raise to met quotas for AA, meanwhile some desrving young man ( no particular race ) in the hall cant get his resume looked at because well it's AA month :dis:

 

Affirmative Action is NOT about similar students. The applicants to the University of Texas Law School were declined in favor of students who "significantly less impressive" students who were given higher marks in the name of what they could add in terms of "diversity" to the University.

They were given PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT and PREFERENTIAL ATTENTION and others were looked at differently-and NEGATIVELY based on the outcome of this comparison using this system.

These were not students with similar grades. This is something you are totally ignorant of, or are either trying to "soften up" or "spin" to help your argument. The University of Texas Law School applicants who were the ultimate plaintiffs and victors in the case in the Fifth Circuit Court against the UT Law School were "head and shoulders" in the eyes of admissions officers, UNDER TESTIMONY!

So, now academic experts who've been well versed enough in the system to implement it are contradicting your statements here. It's on the record, in the books, sworn testimony of people who SUPPORT your stance!

You're making it up as you go along! Admit it! I researched the damn case! I read the depos....I wrote a damn report on it! You are skimming, spinning, and juking!

 

Reading is fundamental. I said it has been misused but if you look at the principle definition of AA, it deals with students of similar backgrounds. Btw, jsracing, you're right and im coming for your job next. yeah babe. But if yall really think AA is discriminating against yall, well finally you get a taste of how it feels. Yall want to end the so called discrimination against yall but when I say what to do about discrimination against our race, you tell me to stop whining. Double Standard. :dis: :dis: :dis:

 

I've been denied opportunites because i'm "disabled", does that make me mad? Yes. Do I feel that it's the governments responsibility to make sure that I get a "fair chance" to be given those opportunites by forcing a corporation to hire me or a school to admit me? Hell no. My mother has polio and a form of Muscular Dystrophy, her dad has Muscular Dystrophy, most of the men in her family have the same form or muscular dystrophy. They were all discriminated against. My mother was sent to a special school because all disabled people were once thought to be retarded, but you know what that didn't stop her, she didn't recieve government assistance to go to college and get her bachelors and then masters degree witha 3.9 gpa. I'm tired of people bitching about "being held down" and I know that blacks were treated horribly, worse than anyone in my family ever was, but if you work hard you can overcome any of your challenges.

 

What are you talking about. Disable individuals require special preference and attention. Specialized teacher, elevators, special classes, exc. are required at a school if a disable individual comes. When I was in 11th grade, a disabled boy came and the parish had to spend extra money to make sure one kid had everything he needed when that kid could've just went to a specialized school. Should the parish have done it. Absolutely, b/c you deserve every opportunity anyone else has. If the parish would've told that kid at my school it was too much money when they could go somewhere else, there would've been a law suit in a matter of hours, rightly so.

 

There's that solution to equality you keep harping about right under your nose. I don't know if you went to Harvard or Billy Job Bobs School of Bartending but if you have obtained your education at the best institution available to you within your means and owe your employment and recent raise to the fact that you were the best available candidate for the position you have earned it and you deserve it. If you got your job over equally qualified white, brown or yellow people solely because you are black then you are helping to perpetuate an injustice.

Why are black people so obsessed with the race card? If you help yourself to become upwardly mobile and are able to provide better educational opportunities and a better life for you children that you had then you are doing the best you can do for you and your own. I am white but I have no interest whatsoever about helping anybody just because they are white.
If I were to advocate white people being given preference over other races I would be labeled as a Klansman or a white supremecist. When a black person advocates that black people being given preference over other races he is being politically correct. In the past groups like the NAACP and people like Martin Luther King were valuable and necessary agents for social change.
Because of the courage and leadership of King and others we are all equal under the laws of our country and even in the states where segregation and Jim Crow laws have been repealed and struck down by the Supreme Court. King, the NAACP and others have accomplished the goal that they originally set out to do. Yes, there are still predjudiced people but nobody can legally deny you employment or deny your children admittance to any educational institution all the way from grade school to college. Maybe you were qualified to attend an elite institution like Harvard, Yale or Stanford but you were educated elsewere because you couldn't afford the astronomical fees. Guess what. My folks couldn't afford it either. You are what you make of yourself.

There are a few Hispanic organizations but they don't have nearly the power and influence of black organizations. There are no organizations to specifically help German, Polish, Asian. Irish, Italian (other than the Mafia) Hungarian, or Russian Americans. My ancestors were kicked out of Canada 300 years ago and migrated to the mosquito infested swamplands of Louisiana. I'm not holding my breath while I wait for my reparations check from Canada.



Some of the richest men in the world never even graduated from college. At least one of the billionaires on the wealthiest people list is black. I don't remember his name but he started the Black Entertainment Network on cable. He didn't get to where he is today because some PC AA program wanted more cultural diversity among billionaires. He is in his early 60's so you know that he started out in life less that equal to the prevailing influences of his upbringing.

Colin Powell was born in Jamaica and grew up in Harlem. Do you think his opportunities were nearly as good as yours or mine? He didn't need some AA handout to give him a leg up on his non black peers.


Don't you think that it would be a lot fairer if instead of AA just for blacks that all people from economically disavantaged familys were given an equal chance at pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and advancing themselves academically, socially and economically?

 

Legally, discrimination against your race is a thing of the past. I will concede to your point that horrible things were done to black people in the past solely because of their race so save your breath on that one. What the hell has that got to do with you, me or any other black or white person living now in the 21st century. At least as far as I know of going back to my great great grandparents none of my ancestors were slaveholders or ever lynched a black person. You are saying that because some white people unrelated to me mistreated some black people who may or may not have been related to you that if your kid and my kid were equally qualified for admission to a university or for an employment position that your kid should get preference over mine based solely upon the fact that he is black and my kid is not. If I said that my kid should get preference because he is white you would raise holy hell and call me a bigot and a racist. How does that attitude make you any different from a white bigot?