Anyone still believe in the merit of Affirmative Action?

When equity is reached, I will be the first person in line to get rid of AA because at that point it would be racism, but only when equity is reached. Right now it's desperately needed. Btw, I agree with you that welfare should be regulated. If someone is living off of it, punish them till they decide to stop but don't eradicate the program. There are numerous success stories.

 

yes but hate is not the same is violence. you cant tell people it is wrong to hate, because that is telling them it is wrong to have thoughts that disagree with yours. there is nothing inherently wrong about racism, or any other thought or idea or preference you find to be politically incorrect. you shouldnt tell a person it is ok to like one thing over another, as long as the thing he doesnt like isnt on your protected politically correct list.

acting on hate in the form of violence is different. violence is criminal, unPC ideas arent. who am i to tell another person it is wrong of them to hate another person for any reason they choose?

 

Hate lead to slavery, 9/11, Mid East violence, presidential assassinations, lynchings, shall I continue.

But it's ok. Come on.

 

you seem unable to understand the difference between something, and the thing it leads to. one is personal choice, the other is violence that violates others. it seems simpleto understand. don't prosecute thought crimes. dont tell anyone who they can and cannot hate. if you hate white people, who am i to tell you you have to hire them? understand?

hating blacks is no more wrong than hating asparagus, from a morality perspective.

 

you just dont understand.

if an arab moves to america and starts a business, and they hate americans and they refuse to hire them, thats fine, thats freedom, they get to make their own choices. and if i think they are idiots, and i refuse to hire arabs, that is my decision, who is anyone to tell me who i have to like or dislike or who to hire or what preferences are right or wrong? do you understand that?

if you hate white people, maybe you feel like you are justified to be racist, and everything white people do makes you angry. thats your right, be racist. nothing wrong with it. and if you own a business, that business is yours, and not mine, and it shouldnt be my business to tell you who you are allowed to like or dislike. that is your individual freedom and right. if you are racist, go ahead.

now that is totally different from you acting out and being violent. violence is wrong, hate isnt. if i kill you because you are black, i am no more wrong than if i killed you because i wanted your wallet. to say otherwise is to punish thought. can you see what i am saying?

 

I have a feeling you're not ever going to grasp this because you don't want to. I also have a feeling you're going to continue to pretend that i am insulting you so that it makes it easier for you to hate another whitey. Whatever. Rave on bruther its your oppurtunity and your race that is suffering not mine. :dis:

 

So wait...You're demanding equality by not accepting what the white man hands to you, but yet you say that the white man (which you transparently interchange with the ambiguous "US Goverment" term) should give you a hand out, a hand up, and an edge in honest, fair, and equal opportunities for education, government contracts, and other avenues?

You're demanding equality and demanding an edge or an advantage at the same time? You're not accepting what you say you should be handed by the government, yet you say the government should pay up?

Sorry, but your argument is so convoluted and ridiculous and ironic and hypocrtical is't unreal. Remember, I didn't cast any aspersions at you. I cast aspersions at your ARGUMENT. Nothing else. I've seen you talk about us returning to the woods, generalizing about our "secluded white lives", and whatnot...and I think that's racist talk right there. So, I guess I agree with your other comment that experts say discrimination still exists.

You need to make up your mind, show me where the black community has taken umbrage to their fellow African ancestors over slavery, and stop bleating like a billy goat about reparations. We've got plenty of evidence about Jim Crow, slavery, and the slave trade. Now show us evidence where you've taken odds with those that enslaved your fellow blacks?

BTW-I'm an Irish American, & if you knew ANYTHING about American History, "Mics" were some of the most persecuted and ostracized ethnic groups out there...Along with Italians, Asians, and Blacks...To attempt to generalize who I am and dole me in with those who may or may not be related to those who may or may not have been persecuted during the past of our country is folly, and it's ignorance at its highest level of audacity.

The difference between you & I is that I'm not bitching and complaining about the federal taxes that we pay to keep up the Interstates in this country, since it was mostly my kinsmen and fellow Irishmen who built the roads and railroads that connected this great country from sea to shining sea and fueled its growth into what is the most powerful, technologically advanced, socially responsible, and human rights oriented civilizations the world has ever seen.

I'm not looking for a hand up because of all the Irishmen who died building the sewers of New York City, or who blasted through the Appalachians or Rockies building railways for rich tycoons. I'm not looking to capitalize on a genetic link between a people who were persecuted in the past and myself as an Irish American male living in 2004...

That is the crux of the difference between you & I. I know my history, & I don't dwell on the past...It won't change your future.

Those who don't learn from their past are doomed to repeat it, and right now, you're not learning...you're regurgitating and rehashing and repeating...Move forward, as I've done, as millions of Asian Americans, Italian Americans, and my fellow Irish Americans have...

Sheesh...

 

I know you're not comparing Irish suffering to African suffering, give me a break. Another point, I responded by saying "go back to the woods" to a poster who posted an insult at me. I never referred to everyone, get it right. I haven't got on this board and yelled everyone a racist, in fact you guys have insulted me since i stated my opinion and when i said i was black the post about how i don't know my history started. Thats the problem. Yall think you know everything. You don't. My argument is convuluted to you b/c you're not trying to understand. AA is not a handout, but what the gov't owes as a debt to blacks just as a civil lawsuit in a court. Do you really believe that America is fair and just to blacks? AA is taken from Cal Berkely and black pop decreases by 40%. People, discrimination exist. I'm still waiting for someone to give me a better solution than AA. Waiting. Try to do it for once without making an insult.

 

that was me that you told that to and i didn't insult you. I'm seriously considering it though........ but like I said really I just pity you. You are your own worst enemy, by buying into AA you guarantee your race a "limited" handout. it's planned. and your duped by it. it's a pity. aspiring to AA is like saying OK I know we aren't as smart as you guys but hire us anyway. Gee that says alot about what you think of your own kind. Like i said Good luck you're gonna need it.

 

I'm not going to respond to the insults. I'm not arguing again until someone answers my question. Give me a solution to equity since AA is so horrible.