Americans to Obama: DON'T UNDERESTIMATE US!!

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    At a news conference, Obama said people will be able to choose their insurance "the same way that federal employees do, same way that members of Congress do."

    According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, "Federal employees, retirees and their survivors can choose from among Consumer-Driven and High Deductible plans that offer catastrophic risk protection with higher deductibles, health savings/reimbursable accounts and lower premiums, or Fee-for-Service (FFS) plans, and their Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO), or Health Maintenance Organizations (HMO) if you live within the area serviced by the plan."

    Teddy Kennedy may be messing with it, but that is what Obama promised. "The same way". If not the same plan, then an equivalent plan.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Simple question? OK . . .

    Question 1 -- I said logical. Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to say.

    Question 2 -- Is God good. As I already pointed out, we have no way of knowing anything about God or what he expects from us.

    Now what do you think?
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    but you do presume to know about god. specifically you presume to know he exists, which is clearly a faith-based belief, which clearly makes you not agnostic.

    what possible evidence could have that the universe was made by a creator of some sort? are you aware that this makes you exactly not agnostic?
     
  4. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    no. thats clearly why the voted against the current plan for themselves. they want no part of it. this has been discussed here since it was voted upon.

    it tells you all you need to know about the bill.


     
  5. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    1. Saying you believe in a creator leads me to believe you may have heard of the 1st cause theory. Where is the logical argument for a creator not having a creator or something not causing the first cause?

    2. Yes you did point that out. But you didn't mention if God was good or not. But you do point out the human quality of "he" which I find interesting.

    I think I don't believe in a creator nor do I believe in God.
     
  6. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    The hypocrisy I speak of is your allegiance to "The Chosen One" despite questionable (in my mind) associations. Yet you immediately discredit anything I have to say because of my questionable (in your mind) association.

    You cannot be serious.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Do you never run out of ways to try to tell me what I think. How foolish is that?

    What I said was that I assume the universe, having been created, has a creator. That is a belief based on the simplest of logic, not a knowledge based on evidence. Lack of evidence is why I'm unprepared to go any further in my assumptions, nor appoint myself high priest, write a holy book and mutter incantations.

    I'm not going to argue this with you, there are a dozen threads already. But the definitions of atheist and agnostic are well known. You deny the existence of God--you are an atheist. I do not deny the existence of God--only the religious notions that purport to define God--I am an agnostic.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I didn't say it, Obama did.
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    You're both going to Hell.:hihi:
     
  10. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    how could you know what not to define him as?
     

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