Al Quada and our news media, Democrats have something in common

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Sourdoughman, May 17, 2005.

  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You want to give us some examples of this?

    Sourdough, what planet have you been living on? That is just nonsense. Clinton tried to kill bin Ladin twice with cruise missile strikes on his headquarters after the Cole and Embassy bombings, but our good friends the Pakistanis tipped him off. The millenium bombing plot, which was Al Qaida terrorism on a 9/11 scale, was thwarted by Clinton. If you read the 9/11 Report, you will find that it is the Bush Administration that did nothing about al Qaida until 9/11 forced them to.

    Nobody but you really gives a damn about Elian Gonzales anymore, Sourdough. And you don't even remember it right.

    All of the courts including the Supreme Court ruled that Elian Gonzales was an illegal immigrant and had to be legally returned to his father. The Justice department broke no laws and had complete legal authority to return the child to his family. You are misinformed.

    Every year hundreds of American children are taken overseas by divorced parents or relatives. International and federal courts take action to see that a child goes to his rightful parent. Sometimes it means a Cuban kid has to go back to Cuba to his father. But the same rules get a lot more American children returned home where they belong.

    You object to illegal aliens from Mexico and the Middle East. Why do you love Cuban illegal aliens so much?

    Bullchit! A special prosecutor was appointed by the Republican Congress who spent years and 75 million of your tax dollars trying to find Clinton guilty in the Whitewater case... and failed to get a conviction. He also was never convicted of breaking the law in office as President. The Republican Senate acquitted him of perjury and obstruction of justice charges. Give me an example of Clinton being above the law. The law came into play and was fully conducted. It just didn't go the way you seem to want to remember it.
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    for once i wholeheartedly agree. jon stewart represents sort of a new school political attitude that tons of young people have. i dont like it. he is definitely liberal, but he might call himself "progressive" his display on crossfire was incredibly childish. he takes himself way too seriously.

    the way people act as if he is so great anooys me a bit. he is a self serving blowhard who doesnt really understand the issues he is loudest about.

    "It's not so much that it's bad, as it's hurting America ... Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America." --Jon Stewart, to "Crossfire" hosts Tucker Carlson and Paul Begala

    grow up dude, it is a political hack arguing show. it doesnt hurt america. if you dont like it, watch something else.
     
  3. G_MAN113

    G_MAN113 Founding Member

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    The judge who disbarred him and fined him $90,000 for perjury-related contempt might disagree w/ you there, Red. You may not like George Bush, but that's no reason to try to paint his predecessor lily-white.
     
  4. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    He was grilling them for being too soft on their guests. He feels that they have an opportunity to actually discuss real issues and fail miserably at doing so. And he's absolutely right. They, as well as all other network new types, are hurting America. I thought his display on Crossfire was heroic.

    Takes himself too seriously? Are you freaking kidding me?

    And as much as you would like it to fit your agenda, he is NOT a liberal. I'm curious as to how much exposure you've had.

    Self-serving? What he does is point out the ridiculously funny and ironic things that go on in politics and network news everyday.

    What issues is he 'loudest' about? He's not a political soap-boxer. He doesn't engage in his own discourse and express his opinions. There's no monologue, or op/ed section on his show. He simply makes fun of things that need to be made fun of. And he does a phenomenal job of that.
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    of course you did. real heroic telling a couple arguing idiots that they have some responsibility for the purity of american political discourse. thats counterproductive. what we actually need to realize it is that it is OUR responsibility, not crossfire's to educate us. if we get our political info from a talking head arguing show, WE are too blame if we are misinformed.

    it hurts america to babble about politics on tv? how so?

    no. he takes himself way too seriously. he goes on a ridiculous show and tells the people there they are hurting america. that is like going to a circus and telling the clowns they had better smarten up and be serious. get over yourself.

    right. he calls tucker carlson a dick because he doesnt think crossfire is up to his noble standards.
     
  6. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    WELL NO SH!T. But that doesnt change the fact that people DO watch retarded shows like x-fire. The fact remains, if these figureheads are going to open themselves up to examination publicly, then damnit the hosts had better come at them with serious questions, and call them on it when they engage in their typical political BS jibber-jabber.

    It's not about being misinformed, it's about pus$yfooting with your guests when you should be grilling them.

    Because people will believe absolutely anything that they hear on TV without even thinking twice about questioning it. And the crap they're exposed to is oversensationalized garbage. Brainwashed sheeple.

    Get over MYself? Explain what this has to do with me, other than the fact that you can't stand that I admire Jon Stewart. I think you need to get over me. Take your as$ handing-to like a man.

    Bowtie boy told Jon 'You're funnier on your own show', to which Jon replied, 'Well you're just as much of a dick on your show.' Enlighten me as to exactly how that relates to political favoritism and expression of one-sided views. Go ahead, I'm listening.

    It appears that the only exposure you have to JS is the x-fire incident. You should watch his show, even you might learn something.

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  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    calm down big fella i was telling john stewart to get over himself.
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    and who's fault is that? the guys who make the show or the idiots watching it and taking it seriously?


    its their show, who am i to tell them how to run it. i will watch/read something else if dont like it. they probably have to ask softball questions or the guests will not come on.

    you are shifting responsibility and that is counterproductive. people are responsible to educate themselves. blaming media only teaches people that they are not respobsible to figure things out, it teaches people that the media should be telling us what to think. if we recognize that we should just not take show like this seriously, then we have no reason to complain.


    and how is this crossfire's fault again? if i watch crossfire and believe every word they say, who has them problem, them or me?


    didnt say it did. use quotes and argue with what i said. argue with honesty.

    i have seen it regularly for years.
     
  9. NoLimitMD

    NoLimitMD Founding Member

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    I think Jon Stewart is generally a pretty funny guy and like his show for what it is.

    But, I agree w/ martin 100% on this one...his grandstanding on that show was just dumb. And then he talks to every reporter he can find, and self-deprecates in an attempt to appear that he doesn't take himself seriously. It was insulting.

    Crossfire is a TELEVISION show. They want people to watch so they get more money. They get more people to watch by having big time guests. They get big time guests by asking softball questions. Not rocket science here.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    He was not President at the time, that happened in 2001. I never said he was lily-white, he foolishly and publicly lied about a personal problem. And my remarks were not about disliking Bush. I was shooting down a bunch of untrue remarks about Clinton that Sourdough apparently just made up.

    I actually think George Bush is a likable guy, Hell, I voted for him in 2000. I wouldn't mind going fishing with him and drinking a beer or twelve. It's just that he's an incompetent president based on his performance in office--that's what I object to.
     

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