Add yet another big legal problem for trump

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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    That’s not what the judge said.

    with regards to this specific case, the judge said this exactly:


    "Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records,"
     
  2. Jmg

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    "the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion,"

    it doesnt matter what you think about serious persons or whatever, the fact is the president decides. you need to look for another walls closing in event.
     
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  3. kcal

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    note the ruling wasn’t appealed:

    "Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed
     
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  4. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    But muh secrets!
     
  5. Rex

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    Yeah, it's too bad for trump he never segregated those documents as "personal records" while in office, because that's a hill the trump team might have died on, instead. So, as it stands, he didn't segregate them. He didn't demarcate them as personal. And he can't say now that he could just "think" them into personal records. His statement on Feb. 10 that he had complied with NARA requests for his records is an admission that he, himself, considered them "presidential records", and not personal records. And just the act of asking for a Special Master now to sort out his personal records is an admission that many of them (if not most) were not personal records.

    It's a funny thing... the ONLY sites that think that sentence gives trump a pass to conceal presidential records and classified documents are rightwing hack sites.
     
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    My work in the Navy was at times considered to be “eyes only” meaning that it was for an extremely limited propagation. Security and security clearance are not necessarily by rank or title, much of the time it is on a need to know basis. Generally the categories are Sensitive, Classified, Secret, Top Secret. Secret or Top Secret can be in on “Eyes Only” because of mission specificity. The presidents daily briefings usually fall into classified or low level secret. There would not be “Eyes Only” for his purpose that were accessible by any cabinet member. It can be very convoluted, especially for the uninformed. The operating rule has always been “need to know” regardless of clearance if you didn’t need to know it you couldn’t.
     
  7. Rex

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    I have no idea why you're mentioning any of that inasmuch as it has no bearing on ownership of the records at Mar-a-Lago. trump, himself, acknowledged by public statement that the documents were designated as presidential records under the PRA, so it was a violation to leave office with them... especially since he had been advised by his own legal staff against keeping them.
     
  8. Rex

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    All of which leads back to this question:

    What sort of unAmerican dipshit thinks it OK for a sore loser president to declare our top secrets "personal" to take home with him?

    (not that he actually did)
     
  9. LSUpride123

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    You would have to go back decades to find a president that "didnt" do that.
     
  10. Jmg

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    of course he did, he took them home. segregating them by a thousand miles or so.
    again, thats his discretion, solely.
    and judicial precedent.

    sorry friend, you need another walls closing in pretense. i am sure your allies in media and the dem party will invent one, and it will trick you just like all the others. walls closing in!
     

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