ACA effects becoming reality

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Because there is no competition. The Ds and big insurance schemed to protect each other. The ACA is as corrupt an act as any.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    So you think it's as simple as erasing state lines so companies can compete with each other?
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Two reasons. 1--Prices have kept going up for 25 years now. 2--The insurance companies have taken advantage of ACA guaranteed business to raise rates.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That and controlling costs like Medicare does instead of allowing insurance companies to collude to set their own rates. This was a concession intended to get GOP votes for ACA that didn't work out that way. The Democrats will have few issues fixing this, but the Republicans will fight any improvements to ACA that affects Big Pharmaceutical corporations.
     
  5. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    You forgot the actual reason. Insurance companies have to insure millions of people who were formally too much of an actuarial risk to insure. As a result everybody's rates go up. It was the design of ACA to ensure this happens.

    Medicare does not control costs. It controls the Medicare reimbursement rate. The actual costs continue to go up, Medicare pays less, and providers turn to private payers and insurance companies to make up the difference between the cost of a procedure and the Medicare reimbursement. That is one of the massive problems with healthcare that ACA did not even attempt to address. The healthcare industry is the only industry where the cost of a service has no impact whatsoever on the price a patient is charged. And since when is big Pharma a Republican special interest? Follow the donations and you will see they provide near equal funding to both parties. Democrats won't do anything that hurts big pharma.
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Spreading the risk to insure everybody, yes. No other modern nation allows its citizens with heath issues to go without medical care.

    And that did not start with ACA. This is an area where it can be improved, but it will take political balls in both parties. I ain't seeing it.

    Big corporations are a Republican special interest across the board. But Big Parma is an equal opportunity influence buyer.
     
  7. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    All of this ignores the point that the cost of just about every individual health care service is going up. Healthcare before and after Obamacare has NO incentive to manage these costs. All parties advocating the AHCA had their hands in the till. Big pharma, insurance and hospitals have a GUARANTEED growth in income and profits. Until this is changed we will see no change.
    @red55 and @Tiger in NC to demagogue the Rs as being the only party of big business is both misleading and does nothing for the discussion. If you can't acknowledge the Ds played footsy with big business as much or more than the Rs on this your noses probably reach Alaska by now.
     
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  8. Tiger Exile

    Tiger Exile Long time lurker

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    That is just not true. Check out the evil Goldman Sachs, and Microsoft. The total money is almost equal. The majority of the big corporations are equal opportunity influence buyers as well.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-c...e-to-republicans-and-democrats-142340972.html
     
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  9. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Break a system that provided adequate care for 85% of the population to provide sub-standard care to 100%. Not a big win.

    Paul Ryan's voucher program is a good starting spot, but it will never get enough support.


    Not sure if serious. Big corporations spend billions on both parties. You really believe this old nonsense? Tell me, are the Democrats the only party in the pocket of plaintiff trial lawyers?
     
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