A view from the other side(Bama fan)...

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  1. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    I would think LSU will implement the "gang tackle" on Richardson. That is one advantage of having a fast D.:D

    Jefferson ... ya never can tell! It'll probably be about like all the other games to date ... mostly Lee .. with Jefferson sprinkled in. If the power run/pass threat is not working out, I can see Jefferson comming in more. He seems to have improved a great bit since last year. That was a beautiful pass he threw to RR last week. IF we get a decent lead, Jefferson will certainly come in, with Lee comming in to bail out the drive if need be .. just to put JJ back in again. He's the clock eater upper. The Dude burned up 15 minutes of the game with just two drives.

    But .. JLee has that quick release, and is probably better at reading defenses. I mean ... on that screen pass to Shep last week ... he gets the ball, spins and throws so fricken fast, the ball is in Sheps hands before you realize it.

    But ya never know with CLM ... JJ may start for all we know.
     
  2. kluke

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    With respect to the above comment I'm going to plagerize myself with part of a post I made on another thread on the board

    "I know a lot of sports media consider Saban the best in the game but they used to say the same about Meyer. To me Saban has to many WTF losses. He lost to Louisiana Monroe with prettly much the same players he went 12 - 2 with the next year. Speaking of that year, his 12-1 team got their ass kicked by Utah (and thanks Saban for empowering the Non AQ movement - no one has done more for the Boise Bus). The LSU 2000 homecoming loss to UAB, his team only scored 10 points . And of course last years Iron Bowl - which I won't make you relive. Great coaches shouldn't average a bad loss every two years -2.5 actually but still."

    So Saban's good - but he doesn't walk on water.
     
  3. RMFTR14

    RMFTR14 Veteran Member

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    "Great coaches shouldn't average a bad loss every two years -2.5 actually but still"


    You find me the guy who says he walks on water and I'll call him an idiot. And to be honest, I feel the same way about the guy who says he's not a "great coach". I have a feeling there are a few different stats that would dwarf your 1 bad loss every 2.5 years opinion (Counting a loss to undefeated Utah in a BCS game as a "bad loss" speaks to your objectivity). I'd like to see the # of "great coaches" that haven't slipped up every 2.5 years under your standards. I'd rather keep it to the game, but we can go there.
     
  4. Winston1

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    All of these comparisons show one thing; these two teams are so close in talent and capability that anaylsis can and will support any conclusion.
    The key to this game is which team has the will (I wish I could have said Want) to persevere and rise above the other. When the irrisistable force meets the immoveable object the winner is the one who refuses to lose.
    Both teams will face this challenge and both teams will have to look inside of them selves and see what they have.
    The team that pulls it together and overcomes the pain and frustration is the one that will win.
    The game will be a challenge of will. :geauxtige
     
  5. TigerFan90

    TigerFan90 Too far away from home

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    Ah, come on, man. Let's be fair about this. Bama was disappointed with that Bowl and let an eager Utah team take them out. It was that simple. We have seen what happens with a Saban team that appears to be dissatisfied with it's bowl game, see Cap One against Iowa post-NC 2004.
     
  6. kluke

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    What makes the Utah loss a bad loss was the failure of Bama to show up - at a BCS bowl. They were physically beaten by a team of less physical ability. It's not that they lost the game - it's that they were beaten at their own game.

    As far as my objectivity the label 'Great Coach' is semantics, I said he was a very good coach. What I was responding to was the 'best coach in college football' line by another Bama poster. I think Saban is top 10, but I see no reason to crown him #1.

    I could easily question your objectivity as well. Given the assets that Bama has in facilities, fan base, and talent should the best coach in football ever go 9-3 losing one game to a consistently middle echelon team, another to a team with an offense at the bottom of all football, and a third to a team that spots you 21 points.

    So that we understand each other I save superlative labels to apply to those that truly separate themselves from the field. In college coaching it's more than just recruiting and winning. Part of what separates the greats, IMO, is the impact the coach has on his players lives, and the impact the coach has on the institution outside the lines. That requires dedication to one place for a long period. To me great college coaches are Eddie Robinson, Bear, Paterno, Rockne, Royal, Bowden, and Osburn. If Saban stays at Bama for a long time and comes to represent what these guys represent I'll give him the 'Great Coach' label and put him in this group. But he ain't there yet. It requires staying in one place longer than the players in your first recruiting class. I hope that he does stay at Bama because it makes it more fun - but I wouldn't bet money on it I couldn't afford to lose.
     
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  7. TigerCliff

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    You did watch the games in 2009 and 2010?

    Yes there is a plan for #3 and he is not the first massive runner that LSU has seen. This is not the first time we have seen this staff and what over hyped Nick is going to bring. Les and his staff handed it to Nick the Great in 2010 and of course with a 4 point lead late your paid staff in black and white did not give the ball to LSU at Mid field after PP took the ball got both feet in bounds in 2009!!!

    Tappy if I am a Bama fan and saving money to get my wifes teeth fixed I would not bet much on this game. Sure you think your DB's are better than LSU's. That is what they told you pre season. This bunch LSU has is deep and ready. 4 seasons from now count how many from this LSU D is playing on Sunday vs Bamas group.

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    You made a very respectful , quality post. I have no problem with rival posters like yourself stating an opinion on this board. You are entitled to your view. Best of wishes for an injury free game. May the best team win. No zebra interference hopefully. Thanks for posting. Geaux tigers.

    Thank you sir... It's nice to have my intentions recognized. That seems to be an issue for some others in here, so they will be ignored. I don't respond or acknowledge ignorance. I base any argument I have off fact, and that is all...






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    Man - I have been to Alabama and all I can say is - you must not respond often !!!:tigereye:
     
  8. ramahsghost

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    I think this is where you lost Tappy :hihi:
     
  9. TigerCliff

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    So that we understand each other I save superlative labels to apply to those that truly separate themselves from the field. In college coaching it's more than just recruiting and winning. Part of what separates the greats, IMO, is the impact the coach has on his players lives, and the impact the coach has on the institution outside the lines. That requires dedication to one place for a long period. To me great college coaches are Eddie Robinson, Bear, Paterno, Rockne, Royal, Bowden, and Osburn. If Saban stays at Bama for a long time and comes to represent what these guys represent I'll give him the 'Great Coach' label and put him in this group. But he ain't there yet. It requires staying in one place longer than the players in your first recruiting class. I hope that he does stay at Bama because it makes it more fun - but I wouldn't bet money on it I couldn't afford to lose.



    Ditto !

    I was just going to say all that but you already did it ! nice

    Since Tippy seems to write like John Boy Walton I am glad you nailed the boy! Tip don't get to excited about getting nailed ! I was talking bout writing skills !!!!

    Geaux Tigers


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  10. cwatsn

    cwatsn Loyal Servant

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    Well, to all of the Gump poster with their cornucopia of current and historical statistics, records past and present, facts and data, thanks for the biased reading material. Way to summarize your prediction! :thumb:

    My summary is this. Two talented teams are taking the field next Saturday, both capable of winning. What we will not know about both between now and then is a whole lot. We can only speculate.

    Gumps, when the ball gets kicked off on Saturday, we will find out which team is better. All this analysis is just window dressing.


    To me it is simple. It is always the same.

    Which one wants it bad enough. !twocrystals!
     

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