A regional high school coach's impression of coach Miles

Well, we heard the Lee tune all last year and he had a game to prove his worth and failed miserably..

I am sure he will throw a few touch downs this year, but JJ is going to be our guy and he will have a better season.

 

As I pointed out earlier, JJ has some issues that need working on, but I think should the OL play improve many of those will improve as well. There are several symptoms that our OL showed that point to bigger issues than just JJ. No run game is a big indicator, him being sacked as many times as he was is another. Yes, he is to blame for some of the sacks, because he holds onto the ball too long, but many of the sacks were due to OL ineffectiveness in preventing the rush, coverage sacks, and OL breakdown. The lack of run game is a big indicator of this problem. If you go back and watch the games you can see that JJ gets flushed out of the pocket pretty quickly on some of those sacks.

Now this isn't to say that JJ isn't to blame for some of these issues, because he is. My biggest concern for JJ last season, and still is, is his inability to hit intended receivers in stride. Many of his passes the intended receiver had to stop or come back to make the reception, resulting in plays that didn't pick up nearly the yardage they might have. He needs to have faith that his receivers will be there when the ball is. His timing needs to be built on the security of knowing the OL is going to keep him upright and that his receivers know their routes and will be where they are supposed to be.

My breakdown of improvement would be; OL play hold the trenches and open up holes for the run game, the run game take advantage of those holes and run with determination and purpose, and the QB play manager the games and have faith in your teammates. We do this and our O will be effective enough to win the games we should, handily, and will score enough to win most of the tough ones.

Only 47 days 9hrs and 36 mins to kick off. Plenty of time to make sure this team is good and ready.:helmet: :LSU231: :geaux: :geauxtige

 

You talkin' 'bout LSU or the opponent? :hihi:

But seriously, you have to take into account that most of Lee's interceptions put us in a hole so big we HAD to throw the ball a bunch to dig out of it. There's something to be said for not turning the ball over...especially into instant points for the opposition. Hell, he threw another in the friggin' spring game that everyone keeps saying he was better than JJ.

 

come on! you're blaming all that solely on a sophomore QB? i think it has more to do with the lack of line, running game and offensive coordination.

just the people who don't look at the entire picture, and it's pretty annoying to say the least. while most LSU fans know football like the back of their hands, unfortunately there seem to be more than a few who haven't the slightest clue how things operate. it's like they're in a vacuum and they pay attention to LSU and no one else. if they did pay attention to the entire picture they would see that there is usually very little difference between the top teams and mediocre teams, but those small differences cannot ALL be attributed to the QB alone.

 

I can't believe you just wrote "sophomore qb". Make sure you mention that Lee was a "freshmen" when he threw all those pick sixes. Or do you not mention that? Or that he was in his third year of playing organized football?

Yes, I agree he sucked. But so do most of the people playing qb (without sufficient experience) against that type of competition. He did have some good moments...why is it nobody thinks he could improve?

Daniels seems like a pretty astute comentator to me and he seemed to really cut our qbs a lot of slack for their inexperience. But not the LSU fans, no indeed, they won't accept anything but excellence and now we seem to have quit on a guy who still has a chance.

I don't see how that helps LSU? I've never understood why LSU fans are so quick to "eat their own" as Bob Davie said in one of the broadcasts....

But hell, I'm just a fan...I don't know jack about football on a technical level....that is why I am happy to leave it to the coaches...they get paid for it, not me.

Miles says JJ is the qb then fine with me. I also would put a lot more stock into an opinion from a guy making a couple of million a year as opposed to a guy coaching high school football but again, it is possible the high school guy is right. I wouldn't know the difference if it hit me in the face but our offense looked dead last year. I don't even give a damn about the won/loss record really. I like to watch exciting games, thrilling finishes, etc.

You are obviously right about this one but how much of Lee's problems came from Crowton not adjusting his play calling at all? Didn't you ever get the impression that Crowton was going to call his play, consequences be damned, no matter if Lee was ready or not? I got that impression......even Daniels made some comments about it after an interception....something like, "how about a draw play instead" on some third down in LSU territory.

Anyway, I think they took it easier on JJ after watching Lee crumble before their eyes. I don't really blame any of them....its not a personal thing...I just think they guy could succeed so he deserves a fair shake.

 

FWIW, I believe EVERYONE including people on this site understand that Lee got screwed by being forced into action too soon. That said, why do you keep bringing up the point about him only playing two years of organized football. First of all, show me a link. IIRC, he is a coaches son. Secondly, what difference does that make? Bottom line is this---he was forced into action too soon. He did move the ball, but generally after LSU was in a hole...that HE put LSU into. His performance, along with the fans reaction to it, have obviously had a negative impact on his psyche. He was given the opportunity on more than one occasion last season to prove doubters wrong, and he didn't. Then, the spring game. He DID play slightly better than JJ, but fact is BOTH sucked it up pretty badly...and HE gave the other team 6 easy ones...again.
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I would LOVE to see Lee come in against a LT type team and absolutely light it up. But until that happens, there is NO WAY you can convince me he is the better option. Does he throw a prettier ball? Yes. Does he have a quicker release? Yes. But he is NOT the better option. Hell, he throws a prettier ball and has a quicker release than Tebow, but I have no doubt who would've been the starter at UF had Lee been there with Timmy.

Like I said, he DID move the ball well at times in '08. But you have to take into account that we were playing out of a hole that he put us into, and we were forced to abandon the running game early to play catch up. His numbers were inflated due to that. We were in every single game last season, and didn't HAVE to throw the ball that much.

And concerning the play calling, go watch the spring game. He did perform better numbers wise than JJ, but the play calling was definitely in his favor in that game. JJ threw quite a few downfield, and had some drops from Shep and a one handed Tolliver. Lee had quick outs, short stuff to inflate his numbers...which weren't that good. They were just better than JJ's, so he should be the starter? Like I said a while back, if we went off spring game stats, Richard Murphy would have a couple of Heismans by now.

 

slow down sparky, i was talking about jordan jefferson, lol. i forget that improper reading comp skills run rampant on the board during the off season. :grin:

edit, the fact that i said "sophomore QB" should have made it obvious i was talking about JJ, :dis:

 

I am fully aware that you meant JJ when you wrote sophomore. That was clear and my reading comprehension is usually not the problem.:dis:

You wrote "sophomore" as if to indicate that JJ has room for improvement because he is young. People do not generally give the same benefit of the doubt to Lee, that was my point. I agree, by the way, about the issue of a youthful qb. Actually, I agree with almost everything you wrote.:shock:

What I don't understand is why none of that applies to Lee. Why doesn't anyone blame JJ for the loss to Ole Miss? If he doesn't take that sack we win the game. Didn't he throw an interception as well, early? I might have it mixed up with the previous year but I cannot be bothered to go look it up....my point remains valid in any case, just based on JJ's last minute sack from the Ole Miss 35.

Why does he get a free pass but not Lee? :huh:

And Fishead, about the high school experience of Lee...if I do go to the trouble to find the link what good will it do me? Would you then agree that Lee has a chance to be solid qb for LSU in his junior/senior year? If you would agree to that then I will be happy to go to the trouble of finding a link but I'm not going to waste my time if you're just going to dismiss it.

Nothing personal....I'm just kind of lazy researcher is all.:thumb:

 

well, i was just responding to the question at hand, but you have a point that it applies to both quarterbacks. however, i think the reason JL is shot is because of the pick-sixes, and i don't think that he can overcome that. JJ is the better QB right now and i have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

Well, you are in agreement with the LSU coaching staff. You have read a dissenting opinion from an admittedly rank amateur football fan posting on an internet forum.

If I had to make a wager.....I would bet your opinion is the correct one.

I would also bet that CLM has his reasons for running the practice like he did when that high school coach was around....and again, I will defer to the man cashing the million dollar paycheck and parking his car in the slot that says,"LSU Headcoach" down by the atheletic department.

I don't mean to dismiss other opinions, they are fun to hear but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.