A recomendation for Obama

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  1. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    just trying to enlighten those high and mighty types that many of them have aborted children (never was referring to prophylactics).
     
  2. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    Birth control pills ≠ abortion.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Actually certain types of the pill are designed to cause an abortion if the primary means of contraception fail.

    The pills first contraceptive defense is to suppress a woman's ovulation. The second is that, should ovulation occur, the cervical mucus is more tacky and dry which makes it harder for semen to reach the egg.

    If those two defenses fail and an egg does get fertilized the third defense is that the pill thins the lining on a women's uterus making it near impossible for the zygote to attach. The zygote will starve to death in a matter of a few hours and die. This third line of defense is called an abortifacient because it induces an abortion. In all likelihood more abortions have been caused by abortifacient contraceptives than by abortion clinics.

    Gumborue is 100% correct and many pro-life people are either ignorant of this or are hypocrites.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    An honest look reveals that about half the country disagrees with you on choice. A single cell within a woman, incapable of independent life, does not instantly receive equivalent rights and privileges of its mother. My statement had nothing to do with at what point life begins anyway, but about whose responsibility it is to make decisions involving a person's own body.

    1. NOT THE GOVERNMENT

    2. NOT SOME RIVAL RELIGIOUS GROUP

    3. THE MOTHER (as guided by her own clergy and family)
     
  5. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    So you are saying certain pills provide all 4 lines of defense? I know there are "abortion pills", and I guess it isn't surprising if some birth control does provide all 4 lines of defense. In any case, wouldn't these "abortion pills", if taken as birth control, perform the abortion at the earliest possible time and closer to the time when we KNOW life didn't exist.

    I'm not defending "abortion pills" and morning after pills as much as I am defending birth control as it is commonly thought of, so I wouldn't say gumborue is 100% correct.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No embyro in the second trimester has ever survived outside the womb. To be doubly sure, the law says that no abortions are permitted in the second or third trimesters, unless the health of the mother is at risk. I think this is a prudent compromise between allowing abortions at any time and allowing no abortions at all. I think it is the mothers choice in the first trimester and the doctor's determination after that.

    The father should have unfettered rights to advise the mother and participate in any decisions, but as the bearer of the child and of all the consequences of possible medical complications, the final decision must be the mother's. Sometimes the father is not even around or a responsible partner, but the mother always is.
     
  7. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    But your argument that the mother is simply making decisions regarding her own body is ignoring that at some point that decision is not simply involving her own body.
     
  8. lsu-i-like

    lsu-i-like Playoff advocate

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    Well, then, that is a working compromise that I did not realize existed. Really, my scope of knowledge is often pretty small. Still, I'm interested in erring on the side of life.

    Sure, though pregnancy itself probably shouldn't be considered enough of a medical complication to waive the responsible father's right to hinder or disallow an abortion.
     
  9. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Half the country is wrong about lots of things.


    Independence is not a characteristic of life. You can look in any biology text book.

    Yeah. I’m aware, and that is the root of the problem, and the reason millions of babies are murdered every year.


    The mother is not making decisions about her own body. They are making the decision to murder another person. Pro-choice is really a pro-murder stance. Just be honest about the choice you a supporting. You are supporting the choice of a mother to murder a baby.
     
  10. LSUsupaFan

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    I'm not defending "abortion pills" and morning after pills as much as I am defending birth control as it is commonly thought of, so I wouldn't say gumborue is 100% correct.[/QUOTE]

    Contraception prevents conceptions. Some pills do this exclusively. The abortifacient aspect of some spills causes the death of the zygote after conception. I would say conception begins life.
     

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