A genuine question for the unwavering Miles/Crowton supporters

Sorry, but ain't buying the Ryan P angle. Make all the excuses you want, but that's dried up and tired.

I'm not a lobby for Miles to be gone, but there has definitely been a severe dropoff in player accountability the last two years. I sat through LSU sucking ass in football in the '90s. I'm not a fan of mediocrity now. If winning 8 or 9 a season with no wins vs. top 25 teams is success to you, then so be it.

There is a high bar set at LSU. There is no reason, with the talent brought in to the program, LSU shouldn't be competing for championships every year. Notice I said competing, not winning.

I didn't realize Les Miles had so many relatives on this site. But the simple fact remains LSU has beaten no one in the last two years. To find that acceptable is simply, well, unacceptable.

 

Sorry, Stacey, but the "team" hasn't been there all season. It's one thing to pay lip service; it's another to produce results on the field. I don't "feel good" about this season because LSU wasn't blown out by 21 vs Florida. I dont' "feel good" because LSU came close to beating Bama. A loss is a loss, whether it's by 1 or 20.

The fact remains LSU has not beaten anyone of note in two years. The same team LSU took to OT (ARK) is the same team that won in OT vs. East Carolina last night. But I guess a win is a win.

LSU record last year: 8-5. LSU record this year: 9-4. One win better or one loss better. Take your pick, but either way it's still mediocre.

 

Bit strong isn't it?

 

What planet are you living on? Nick Saban guided us from mediocrity to the pinnacle of college football, and Les Miles has been guiding us from the pinnacle back to mediocrity! Not only that, but had not Nick Saban preceded Les Miles, there never would have been a mythical national championship in 2007 or 11 win seasons in 2005 and 2006.

Thus, one built our program from scratch to the pinnacle of college football, and his successor’s record has been to a great extent piggybacked off his predecessor’s success.

Not nearly as impressive when you take into consideration that to a very large extent it was all piggybacked off of his predecessor’s success. I mean…there never would have been two 11 win seasons in 2005 & 2006 and followed up with a mythical national championship in 2007 had Nick Saban not preceded Les Miles, and if you think otherwise, seek psychiatric help.

As a matter of fact, there has never been a situation when a coach inherited a team nearly so loaded with talent as the team that fell into Les Miles lap in 2005, as Les Miles is clearly one of the luckiest people on the planet.

Indeed, it’s hard for me to figure out how he ever became a head coach to begin with, much less be the luckiest coach in the world who miraculously was selected to inherit Nick Saban’s damn strong team.

Most coaches aren’t fortunate enough to be able to piggyback off another much more talented coach. Indeed, Les Miles’ circumstances are unique in all of college football. Nonetheless, when you put Les Miles record into proper perspective it then becomes very obvious that he is more than a little incompetent.

You can’t because the program, team, and level of talent Miles inherited in 2005 from his predecessor are all unprecedented in college football history, and it is exceedingly obvious that Miles’ record and the 2007 mythical national championship to a very large extent were all piggybacked off his predecessor’s success.

Had not Nick Saban preceded Les Miles at LSU, it is very obvious that Les Miles’ record today would be mediocre at best, and it is very idiotic not to take all of that into account when you evaluate Les Mile’s performance. Indeed, anyone who isn’t blind and otherwise knows how to evaluate football coaches can easily see that Miles is a very mediocre coach at best.

4 and 5 loss seasons and worse happen all the time in college football, but not with this elite level of talent and not with a coaching staff that is one of the most highly compensated in all of college football. You should at least get what you pay for but LSU and tiger football nation are being very shortchanged by the current very mediocre coaching staff.

Yes he did, but with a lot less talent. Hell, Miles has far more talent sitting on the bench than Nick Saban ever had on his starting teams that had 4 or 5 losses. Not to mention that he followed up his previous 8 & 5 season with a mythical national championship in 2003, and the first one for LSU since 1958. Miles, on the other hand, followed his 8 & 5 season with a second mediocre 9 & 4 season that easily could have been worse and a 110th rated offense. Not to mention that there are a lot of football coaches who would be willing to die for the level of talent LSU has on offense.

As for the rest of your garbage, sorry I became too disgusted to proceed any further.

 

I don't feel great about the '09 season, by any means. It was quite frustrating at many times. But having also sat through the mediocrity of the 90's, it doesn't feel like that at all. It feels, instead, like a team that is "just there" and misses out.

For what it's worth, I feel much better about not getting b***h-slapped by Florida this year. And I feel horrible that we didn't beat Bama, but it's because we were so freakin close to winning.

But to hear many of the negative folks talk, we were a step away from being winless or something like that.

Miles and company will have a lot to account for in '10, but instead of hoping we'll hit the cellar and fire Miles, I'm hoping, instead, for a great season.

And by the way, the loss of RP has been huge, whether you want to admit it or not.

 

As to your first bolded portion, tell Bob Stoops and Pete Carroll that 4 and 5 loss seasons don't happen to elite programs. For that matter, go back to the past and tell it the legendary coaches of the past--the guys who didn't have to deal with trigger-happy "fans" on message boards.

And I realize that your mancrush on Saban is pretty danged strong, but Saban followed up his NC with a 4 loss season, where a good five additional games could have been lost, as well. You diminish all of Miles' 11 win seasons, but Saban only had ONE at LSU, the NC year. That's it. Oh, and contrary to what you'd like to believe, Saban inherited many, many great players when he came to LSU. Some of them still play in the NFL today.

 

Yea Stacey, but Miles won with Sabans players...and deserves absolutely no credit because he's not Saban. What part of this tired lie don't you understand?


:wink:.

 

With respect to Bob Stoops, he had to replace far more players than LSU did, and then when you take into account the devastating injuries that occurred to his All Americans, it is ver easy to see what happened to OU this year. With respect to Pete Carroll, he not only had to replace practically his entire team for 2009, especially on defense, but he also had to start a true freshman quarterback, on top of having to put together a practically new coaching staff.

It’s all about perspective, however, some of you guys love to intentionally put things out of perspective.

It’s not a man crush on Saban; it is what it is and it is not my fault that Saban preceded Miles! Nevertheless, the fact remains, had not Saban preceded Miles, there would have not been 11 win seasons in 2005 and 2006 and a mythical national championship in 2007, and if you believe otherwise you are delusional. Moreover, I doubt we would have won as many as 8 games and 9 games in 2008 and 2009.

 

Had Miles been hired in 2000 instead of Saban, there would be no mythical championships today or 11 win seasons.

 

This, times 100.