I used to feel the same way. Capitalism will prevail, the government should stay out of it as much as possible. Let people pay for their own mistakes, the company owes them nothing for things that happen with their product because the people assume that risk when they purchase the product. I still feel, that in an ideal world, this would be the way to go. I've come to believe though, that idealism rarely meets the real world. Do the courts take it too far? Of course. Should products be made illegal just because they are dangerous (3 wheelers & lawn darts for example)? Hell no. Did they go to far in this case? Maybe.
I have lightened my stance because many people here have brought very good arguments. I haven't changed my mind, but I might. If I do change my mind, which is very possible especially if I get confirmed evidence that what I read was false, then I willingly admit my change of mind and *defeat. *Although I wouldn't exactly consider that defeat, since I was operating under false information.
it was obvious you were confused by someone whether you formed your own opinion or not. that's the point. there is no valid argument against mcdonalds unless you are confused to start with. the only false information that mattered is if you weren't aware there was a boiling point for all liquids. if there wasn't AND mcdonalds was purposely doctoring their coffee temperature beyond the brewing process then there might be a case if they could prove ill intent but even then Id probably still disagree. the fact sabanfan called you out is because of your self-proclaimed informed opinions about things when obviously that often isn't the case. he simply likes to point it out and make an example each time it happens.
It's my duty as The Voice of Reason.:wink: Seriously, I spend about half the year teaching this stuff to young people, so they can properly evaluate potential exposures on large litigated insurance claims. We can't have people paying megabucks to people for being stupid.
This is why I ignore you Tirk. You possess the logic of a post and couldn't win an argument with a 6-year old. Your only skill is being insulting. Incidentally your continuing obssession with calling people gay and making witty innuendoes about fags and such is pretty damned revealing about you, chum. My grandma always said, the chicken that clucks the loudest is the one who lays the eggs.
You are wrong, of course, you can't let it go and are just repeating yourself. The courts have ruled. Responsibility is shared. You still don't have trouble finding hot coffee and fewer people get burned now, See, you are always talking about yourself, what you think, and what you imagine. I'm talking about what's best for the majority of the citizenry. It's the way a democracy works. I'm talking about what's best for the common good rather than what's best for an individual anarchist. Jagger said, "You cain't always get what you want".
Another point about industry standards is the fact that most coffee makers (the actual machine, not the seller), whether commerical or home, brew coffee around 195-205 degrees. This is the industry standard for brewing coffee and it's been this way for many years. The coffee will cool slightly as it drips into the container, but that first cup or two are going to dangerously hot. McDonald's serves 1.3 million cups per day. Add up all the other places that sell coffee and those of us who brew our own at home, and we are talking about millions of extremely hot cups of coffee brewed at near boiling temperature each day. It's amazing we don't have a pandemic on our hands.:wink: Just for fun, I took the temp of my coffee this morning as soon as it quit dripping into the container. 179 degrees ... 20 minutes later it was 148.
According to the criminal court, he didn't do it. But the civil court found him liable for her death. The bastard owes the victims family millions that they will never see.
