850 Billion Dollar Stimulus Package

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What I said was that the stimulus bill passed with republican support, which is true.

    1. Republicans voted for the bill

    2. Republicans got changes made to the bill​

    Therefore, it is bi-partisan by definition, as are the previous two bills. IF you are going to characterize this Obama-led Stimulus Bill as Democratic, you are being dishonest to not characterize the Bush-led Bailout Bills as Republican.
     
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    Fixed it :)
     
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    Sure, but you characterized the Bush bills as "republican" (I quoted you above, don't feel like repeating). You called this one "bi-partisan". You are displaying the inconsistency you speak of above. If you now say the previous two were bi-partisan, then you have changed your phrasing of them.
     
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    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Not really. There are literally millions of things not heard of in 1982.
     
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  5. DarkHornet

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    Meant to be correcting the phrasing of a Jeopardy answer, then question... sorry. Should step away.
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    My original statement was that the bill passed with republican support. When challenged that it was a democratic bill, I said it was bi-partisan by definition. Upon repeated assertions that the Stimulus was a Democratic bill, I said that the two Bailout Bills were then Republican. That's called making a point by example.

    In my previous post I explained that all three bills are bi-partisan by definition but are being characterized as democratic or republican for political reasons.
     
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  7. DarkHornet

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    That's fair.

    Of course now you've got to account for the fact that the two "Republican" bills (I know not your categorization) were supported by a higher percentage of Democrats than they were of Republicans.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Post 88. The sitting presidents led the charge for both bills. Bush's watch = republican bill. Obama's watch = democratic bill.
     
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  9. DarkHornet

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    Why do you feel like one party has to "back" the other party's president's package--try saying that three times fast--if they don't agree with it? No one said the Democrats had to back Bush's plan. I'd like the Democrats a lot more if they had stopped those two (they were bad as well). But they were all too eager to spend our money and money we don't have on handouts. You'll never see the Democrats turn down a good (I use that word loosely) spending bill.

    I'm glad to see the Republicans stand up to this bill, like they SHOULD HAVE stood up to the other two. That's what a true conservative would do. We are way short on that these days.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    They don't have to, but it would be wise to back plans that are good for the country, even it it is proposed by the other party. Most Americans, when polled, indicate that they are sick of implacable partisan bickering instead of making reasonable compromises and moving on. The Republicans have already been bashed in two elections for being the party of "Stay the course". They must now guard against becoming the party of "We can't" by simply opposing any democratic initiative.
     
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