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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, LaSalle has a point. Several Republicans had been calling for Bergdahl's release for years and recently, too. Then when Obama actually did it, they condemned it. Those congressmen are being kind of quiet, too. It's reinforcing the same image of the Republicans simply maintaining that whatever Obama does is wrong. They supported Bush releasing prisoners, but not Obama doing the same thing. There is a lot of the same old gridlocked, party-of-no, partisan politics here.

    Obama's people have just consistently underestimated the personal vehemence that the GOP has for him. They knew that the release of the Taliban would be controversial, but they did not expect the recovery of one of our POWs to be criticized as well. They thought that the meeting with Bergdahl's parents at the White House would be a humanizing touch. But Obama's staff is mostly young and young people mostly don't have military service experience. They did not anticipate that the military could be in favor of not leaving a man behind, but be outraged at an AWOL at best being treated like a returning hero.
     
  2. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    So Red you forget to mention that while the Rs called for his rescue they balked at the price many times as did many prominent Ds. There is a CNN article that Hillary Clinton was against the swap when it was first proposed in 2011. I guess she was against it before she was for it eh?
    Also all you talk about is the Rs...yet what about Diane Feinstein calling the president a liar on television today...,what about the fairly universal condemnation not that he was recovered but at the price and way it was handled. There should be a separation of the discussion about the recovery of Bergdahl and the price paid for him and the means it was handed. I find it interesting that the Ds who condemned W for writing exceptions to laws he sign yet are silent about O doing the same...don't you know he used his objection to the laws requiring 30 day notice to congress in this case.
     
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  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Because the release of these 5 nut jobs is going to get people killed. Does that shit not resonate with you Amigo, these fucking assholes have been locked in a box (exactly where they should have been unless they were dead in the box) for years. These people don't forget this shit, they love it, it fuels them and if you don't think they will do EVERYTHING in their power to exact their revenge... People WILL fucking DIE Red. The biggest thing you are missing is that every death will leave blood on yours and every other hand that put this bastard in office.



    Of course he does

    He should have been. Not worth the fuel it took to get his ass back.


    At what cost Amigo, maybe they did want the little bastard back. I bet they didn't want to release 5 animals back into the wild to bring God knows what onto God knows who?


    BECAUSE HE WASN'T ONE!!!!!


    You mean the ones that made all the anti American statements? Those parents? Yeah, I can see why we are all ready to give them a great big hug. I can see why barry likes them, they share the same views.

    Because he wasn't "AWOL at best" the little fucker walked out. I just don't see how this doesn't get through to you. There is just no other way he gets off that FOB or outpost. It was calculated and premeditated and he knew exactly what he was doing. There just isn't any other way. When you add the note it is all too clear. I have not seen or heard anyone treat him like a hero and I swear I will punch them right in the throat if I ever do. No questions asked, crushed windpipe.

    Again, I don't give a squirt of piss about this little bastard. My beef is with the American hating president and his decision to give the enemy such a victory. Just gifted it to them. We GOT NOTHING and as I have said, people WILL DIE because of it.
     
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  4. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Fucking BINGO Winston. The fucking president should be in JAIL for this. Not tomorrow, not next week, RIGHT EFFING NOW!!!
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    She's still against it. Nobody wants to see terrorists released. Nobody except Shane wants to see a soldier left behind. But a major effort was made to find and extract him and it did not work out. Some deal was going to have to be made or just abandon him.

    Dude, I just talked about how naive the administration was about the Republican reaction to this and how his staff did not condor the military reaction to the "hero's welcome."
     
  6. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I did not say that. This fag is NO soldier, just to clarify. With that, I have said it didn't matter if we brought him back, but damn sure not at the price we paid for him and are not done paying for him. Just not worth it.

    We don't negotiate with terrorist

    We for DAMN sure don't let them dictate the rules

    We should NEVER release people that are hell bent on doing us harm because they WILL
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Get the fuck outta here. The world doesn't revolve around your personal hatred of Obama. People have been fighting and dying over there anyway. Five more guys back into the fight is not going to reverse the war. And voting in a democracy does not make the voters responsible for your political dislikes.

    No due process for him, eh? No chance to tell his own story. I thought it was a major military policy to leave no one behind. At least general McChrystal has been saying that. If the guy gets convicted and sentenced then what is wrong with that? Doesn't he deserve to be in jail?

    Stop making shit up. Obama has not made Anti-American statements.

    That's what AWOL is. If he went over to the enemy and committed acts of treason, then there is a court martial waiting for him. Now we can do that. You have convicted and sentenced him in your mind already.

    I get it, what I don't get is your blind insistence that he doesn't deserve due process and a hearing and that he should have been left to the enemy.

    Your problem is imagining that the President is "America-hating" just because you don't like his politics. It wasn't a gift, we got somebody back for it. The 500 prisoners already released by another President was a gift. Of course you loved that bastard.
     
  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Tillman's story was covered up, the entire thing was a huge lie, fabricated to make him look like he died from the hands of the enemy. Same with Lynch, stories fabricated to make it look like she was going all Rambo and got captured when she never even fired her weapon.

    The point is, if those events happened under this administration, Fox News and the Republican Lynch Mob would be in the streets blaming Obama.
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    But you'll bother saying you won't bother? Noted.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I'm not excusing the democrats either, they will also balk because it's election season, watch how many of them start distancing themselves from Obama because of their races.
     

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