47% will pay no federal income tax

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  1. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    and?

    explain to me how the numbers would work.

    oh, that's right, you can't.
     
  2. tinsley

    tinsley Veteran Member

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    Explain how what exists today is working.

    Oh, that's right, it isn't.

    "Insanity is repeating the same experiment and hoping for a different result."
     
  3. tinsley

    tinsley Veteran Member

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    Income tax isn't the only tax folks pay. All things considered, how much of your remaining incomes goes for taxes.

    Seems to me that folks would pay much closer attention to what is being taken from them if it is taken as a single sales tax.

    Simple is best.
     
  4. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    shocker! you still haven't answered any direct question asked of you.
    congrats on being the most predictable poster on TF.

    someone PM me when (if) this guy ever actually answers my question.
    and in case you missed it, here is my question again:

    please explain to me how cutting the amount coming in by 90% (minimum) going to improve what we have now, when we're already operating at a pretty substantial deficit.


    if you can not answer, then your idea is worse than the system currently in place.

    thanks for playing.
     
  5. tinsley

    tinsley Veteran Member

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    Economists?

    The guys with the diplomas obviously haven't done too well. Carlin's dead, but maybe we could get Foxworthy and the other Redneck comedians to straighten it out. Seems tuh me it's time for some old-fashioned arithmetic and some common sense.

    Redneck Sam aka tgsam
     
  6. tinsley

    tinsley Veteran Member

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    You're not a prosecutor and I'm not on trial.

    I'm not playing. You've expressed your opinion and the others are free to express theirs.

    I do know that what exists today with the IRS isn't working and it sucks. I also know that the IRS has been used to go after enemies of the regime. That alone is reason enough to get rid of it. In my opinion, the producers will be better off paying a single sales tax however much that may be.

    Keep it simple.
     
  7. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    you don't know that.

    ok, let me re-phrase the question:

    Tinsley, YOU are of the opinion that a 10% sales tax would be suffice.
    What spending does Tinsley propose we cut to make up for the over 90% decrease in income the government would incur?


    i'm asking YOU specifically.

    please give me TINSLEY'S opinion on this particular topic.
    please tell me how TINSLEY thinks this new system would work.
     
  8. tinsley

    tinsley Veteran Member

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    Lawfully Financing Lawful Government

    A Hierarchy of Collection and Sharing


    Buyer to Seller*

    Seller to Local

    Local to State

    State to National

    *****

    The total tax collected will be a percentage of the total goods purchased in America. No one will escape the tax, so, the burden of financing government will be shared by every consumer.

    Justice should never be sacrificed to so-called fairness. Interestingly, Karl Marx's communism turned out to be not only unjust, but unfair as well).

    Unlike income tax, each time an individual makes a purchase, s/he wil be painfully aware of the tax burden. Perhaps then, folks will examine government expenses more closely and work in concert to eliminate unjust and unnecessary laws and programs.

    It cannot be denied that the financial bag of snakes used to finance the National Government today is anything but a monumental failure. Were it a success, there would neither be an enormous deficit nor inflation, and paper money would be "as good as gold".

    The IRS is is a constant legal threat to the freedom of every taxpayer in America. It is an annually recurring nightmare, It is a vicious law-weapon that, like a vicious dog, can be sicced on a person with a single phone call. Even presidents have stooped to using it against political enemies.

    Because of it, how many persons have chosen to remain silent rather than speak up when it was important for them to do so?

    How much of a working person's income ends up going for taxes today? In addition to personal income tax, s/he pays sales tax as it is. What do income tax and other taxes add up to?

    Folks, it's time for some very critical thinking about government costs and liberty and justice for all. With 100 percent of America's consumers contributing, how much sales tax will be required to finance an unlimited government today, and a lawfully limited government tomorrow?

    tgsam

    * When I owned and operated a business in Chalmette Louisiana, the taxes I collected were shared about equally between the Parish and the State, with a small percentage going to the initial collector to compensate for the bother. (The checks for the taxes, one to the State and another to Sheriff Jack Stephens, were sent out every month.)

    In addition to the taxes I collected, the working folks among my customers also paid income taxes; a double-whammy for the producers.
     
  9. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    should I ask in a foreign language instead?

    i get it. you want everyone to pay a sales tax, and no income tax.

    This much I completely understand.

    What I don't understand, is how will that structure not increase our deficit by an absurdly astronomical amount.

    What I would like to know from you, is what programs/other spending would YOU want to see cut to make up for that large difference.

    I don't want to know what is fair, or what is just.
    I don't want you to tell me the difference between unlawful and illegal.
    Don't care who usurped who in a back alley last night.
    Really not interested in reading any law review you google up either.


    I'm interested in hearing your opinion what what spending are we going to do away with to make a single 10% sales tax work.

    That is the only thing I am asking you.
    I have been asking you for a couple of pages now.

    Apparently you have no answer for increasing our deficit nearly 100 times over.

    IMO, any plan that is just going to quadruple our National debt in less than month is not an improvement.

    This is the issue i am attempting to debate with you.

    If you're not interested in debating the flaws in your idea, let's just move on to another topic.
     
  10. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    i hate to tell you this nootch, but....


    what that actually means is hoping tin-man will give an actual answer/opinion to any question.
     

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