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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Maybe I was young and stupid, but I just didn't hear of the type of shit that goes on today.

    Everyone I knew had guns and hunted. Always practiced safety. Never talked of self defense.
     
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    The "right to bear arms" has been construed as three things in America. In order of legitimacy . . .

    1. To provide for a well-ordered militia. At the time on the constitution local militias were a centuries-old system to quickly raise a small group of armed men to deal with local problems in the absence of an army in a vast new country. Today there are no militias and if we needed one, the weapons would be provided by the nation. It's not a muzzleloading powder and ball military world anymore. Modern militias must be equipped with army-provided weapons all of an identical caliber for logistical purposes. This right is kind of an anachronism today. Many kinds of military weapons are already restricted to civilians and more may be coming.

    2. To allow for hunting game. America has always been a huge land with lots of game and hunting was necessary for survival for many years and is still popular to suppement modern diets and for recreation. I think this is inherent and nothing has changed much. This right will never go away and no one but PETA even wants it to.

    3. To defend lives and property from criminals. Again this was important in frontier America with few roads and few low officers. Widely scattered homesteads had to be able to fend of thieves and other marauders. Today there are few places in America where you can't summon armed, trained police within minutes. Because of this, judges and juries are taking increasingly dim views of vigilantes and frightened civilians shooting people and claiming self defense. I think that despite the proliferation of carry permits, there will be fewer and fewer situations where citizens can just shoot another without being prosecuted for it.

    It should also not be forgotten that the Constitution was created in part to "Assure Domestic Tranquility". We The People have the power to limit certain of our privileges in order to better insure domestic tranquility. These days we have criminal gangs better armed than the police, proliferation of cheap guns among the citizenry that end up being misused in tragedy and crime, and far to many simple arguments in this country get settled with a gun instead of with an old-fashioned ass-whipping, simply because the guns are there. I think gun registration is coming, I think the gun-show loophole is going to be closed, and I think military weapons will get new civilian restrictions.
     
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    I am about to go to the most dangerous city on earth, where 100 people are killed every weekend, and 90 percent of murders are Usolved, caracas Venezuela. Still doubt I will feel threatened. I live in a proper city, I know what I'm doing. I get drunk in Harlem all the time. last week i was in chcago, a very dangerous city, getting worse. before that albuquerque, the crystal meth capital. (also iceland but i couldnt get in trouble there if i tried)I am regularly wasted in terrible parts of Brooklyn. People don't mess with me. I am youngish and fit and streetwise. I always know where I am going or look like I do.
     
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  4. LSUpride123

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    Well, they already do.

    Army ammo is banned, though you can buy it in parts and build it. Loopholes are a problem.

    Though I still see no reason a few should ruin it for all.

    Making background checks legitimately harder is something I am for. I have no problem with people wanting old machine guns for sport. That shit is FUN! It really is. It think if you take the emotion out of it we can find a solution that allows for stricter control without banning "assault" rifles.
     
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    Being young and fit has nothing to do with any of it.
     
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    The possibility of an accident is greater than the possibility of successful self defense.

    Like I just said, I am about to go venzuela. The state department says it is a failed state and americans get robbed and kidnapped. If I am robbed, and it is very common, I will lose what, a phone, 200 dollars, and my cheapest watch? Who cares. If I had a gun and tried to use it? Mayhem, carnage. Bad idea.

    You can have a gun in your house and u will not use it. Again, it's more dangerous to own it.
     
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    Of course it does. I am not a frail old lady. I walk the streets late and people don't fuck with me. I am not an easy target, I can run like the wind forever and I am strong and smart and never lost. People who look like victims get victimized. I don't look like a victim. I don't dress like a tourist either, ever.

    Also America is a very safe place. New York especially is super duper safer than Baton Rouge, so that is a factor.
     
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    Also the solution for gang violence is legal drugs, not gun control.
     
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    You have proved nothing.

    You are also changing the tone from "safe" to "dangerous". Vastly different.

    Simply owning a gun does not reduce ones safety or cause more danger. The act of humans do this.

    You keep saying how safe you are and "just go live somewhere safe". That sounds good, but reality is you are very naive on this.

    I do not even make the claim that owning a gun is "safer", because nothing on earth would allow me to prove this. Nor can you prove the opposite. If you stated such as your opinion, fine. Debate it. It is clearly not fact.


    No doubt you can cite examples of unplanned harm cause because of a gun. Though just as many examples of lives saved can be cited too.
     
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  10. martin

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    Incorrect. Owning a gun does increase danger. This is a well known and proven fact.
     
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